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Aug 2 2023 01:45pm
Quote (Mondain @ 3 Aug 2023 03:29)
okay I apologize I misunderstood, you had posted an anti america, pro asia video.


That is not a pro Asia or Anti American Video. That is real politik.
That is explaining the similarities or perhaps lack thereof between the Japanese rise in the mid 70s to early 90s in economical prowess and that of the Chinese and how the current economical powerhouse which is the USA deals with them.

And long story short, the United States didn't build Asia back or help Asian countries because of kindness or being a noble superpower. Although suffice to say there are elements of being compassionate.

They build Asia up because

1. Lesson learnt in WW2 .... Pearl Harbour..
2. Communist Threat after WW2 by Soviets , North Korea and China
3. In South East Asia..the Straits of Malacca and trading Routes.
4. Trading partners and Allies i.e Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand , Indonesia , Taiwan, Japan , South Korea, Hong Kong
5. Trading partners and close allies down south... Australia and New Zealand
6. Potentially spreading American or Western Democracy via the countries mention above to Communist Controlled Territories via the modernization and wealth of those countries mentioned above, because those communist countries are starving therefore hoping that a regime change or revolution will occur.

Island Chain Strategy to contain and prevent Communist threat from reaching America Mainland.

The above mention is a Coherent and strategically correct plan that the USA employed at that period.
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Aug 2 2023 01:49pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Aug 2 2023 09:45pm)
That is not a pro Asia or Anti American Video. That is real politik.
That is explaining the similarities or perhaps lack thereof between the Japanese rise in the mid 70s to early 90s in economical prowess and that of the Chinese and how the current economical powerhouse which is the USA deals with them.

And long story short, the United States didn't build Asia back or help Asian countries because of kindness or being a noble superpower. Although suffice to say there are elements of being compassionate.

They build Asia up because

1. Lesson learnt in WW2 .... Pearl Harbour..
2. Communist Threat after WW2 by Soviets , North Korea and China
3. In South East Asia..the Straits of Malacca and trading Routes.
4. Trading partners and Allies i.e Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand , Indonesia , Taiwan, Japan , South Korea, Hong Kong
5. Trading partners and close allies down south... Australia and New Zealand
6. Potentially spreading American or Western Democracy via the countries mention above to Communist Controlled Territories via the modernization and wealth of those countries mentioned above, because those communist countries are starving therefore hoping that a regime change or revolution will occur.

Island Chain Strategy to contain and prevent Communist threat from reaching America Mainland.

The above mention is a Coherent and strategically correct plan that the USA employed at that period.


Can the US import or resurrect some of those people? Because the current administration is downright stupid. I thought Trump was problematic but Biden administration. Well, no words.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Aug 2 2023 01:50pm
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Aug 2 2023 03:45pm)
That is not a pro Asia or Anti American Video. That is real politik.
That is explaining the similarities or perhaps lack thereof between the Japanese rise in the mid 70s to early 90s in economical prowess and that of the Chinese and how the current economical powerhouse which is the USA deals with them.

And long story short, the United States didn't build Asia back or help Asian countries because of kindness or being a noble superpower. Although suffice to say there are elements of being compassionate.

They build Asia up because

1. Lesson learnt in WW2 .... Pearl Harbour..
2. Communist Threat after WW2 by Soviets , North Korea and China
3. In South East Asia..the Straits of Malacca and trading Routes.
4. Trading partners and Allies i.e Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand , Indonesia , Taiwan, Japan , South Korea, Hong Kong
5. Trading partners and close allies down south... Australia and New Zealand
6. Potentially spreading American or Western Democracy via the countries mention above to Communist Controlled Territories via the modernization and wealth of those countries mentioned above, because those communist countries are starving therefore hoping that a regime change or revolution will occur.

Island Chain Strategy to contain and prevent Communist threat from reaching America Mainland.

The above mention is a Coherent and strategically correct plan that the USA employed at that period.


did you watch the video? it was talking shit about the USA and how it supposedly oppressed aisa.
so I was a bit taken back.

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Quote (babun1024 @ 3 Aug 2023 03:49)
Can the US import or resurrect some of those people? Because the current administration is downright stupid.


I hope they do.....they are calling someone like Kissinger an Old Senile Fart.
But he was the one who effectively created the PetroDollar with Nixon that have dominated the world up till now.

Furthermore his overtures to China at that point kept the Russians in Check from the East.

I seriously doubt America can produce such people anymore.

George Kennan
Zbigniew Brzezinski

These above too...

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Aug 2 2023 01:55pm
Quote (Mondain @ 3 Aug 2023 03:50)
did you watch the video? it was talking shit about the USA and how it supposedly oppressed aisa.
so I was a bit taken back.


How is it talking shit about the USA , those are events that factually happened. And I always try to take an Amoral stance on such issues. I don't think what the US did was wrong. It was in their country's interest.



Oppressing is a very broad term. Need to define it more to be get to the specifics.

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Quote (Mondain @ Aug 2 2023 09:50pm)
did you watch the video? it was talking shit about the USA and how it supposedly oppressed aisa.
so I was a bit taken back.


POV, some Asians thought they were mistreated, from US POV they elevated Asia economically. If you ask me, people live better and in peace now, so I share US' point of view regarding their Asia politics.

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Quote (babun1024 @ Aug 2 2023 04:05pm)
POV, some Asians thought they were mistreated, from US POV they elevated Asia economically. If you ask me, people live better and in peace now, so I share US' point of view regarding their Asia politics.


So, as i'm multi culturally understanding,.. This is true is some sense.
But you have to admit they're better off with USA in charge.
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Aug 2 2023 02:13pm
Quote (babun1024 @ 3 Aug 2023 04:05)
POV, some Asians thought they were mistreated, from US POV they elevated Asia economically. If you ask me, people live better and in peace now, so I share US' point of view regarding their Asia politics.


But with the Rise of the Chinese and the inability to let go of some influence in East and SE Asia, I don't think there will be much peace sooner or later. But hey, things can change anytime. Maybe Xi will die tomorrow or Biden will die tomorrow or Trump not get elected or suddenly USA discover some massive amount of Gold Deposits in Texas and China's economy implode and voilĂ  everything goes back to roughly normal.

Quote (Mondain @ 3 Aug 2023 04:08)
So, as i'm multi culturally understanding,.. This is true is some sense.
But you have to admit they're better off with USA in charge.


I am curious as to why and to who are they better off?

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Aug 2 2023 04:13pm)
I am curious as to why and to who are they better off?


so my point is most asian countrys Beg to work with the USA,. they' dont shame the USA...?

You listen to anti-america propaganda and convince yourself america is bad.
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Aug 2 2023 02:18pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Aug 2 2023 10:13pm)
But with the Rise of the Chinese and the inability to let go of some influence in East and SE Asia, I don't think there will be much peace sooner or later. But hey, things can change anytime. Maybe Xi will die tomorrow or Biden will die tomorrow or Trump not get elected or suddenly USA discover some massive amount of Gold Deposits in Texas and China's economy implode and voilĂ  everything goes back to roughly normal.


Nah, they still live better than 30 years ago. They're fighting for who is going to get the bigger piece of the pie. China's biggest problem since ancient times has been... surprise, surprise India. They could never expand past India. In ancient times, Indian army was really badass, in modern times, they still have more expandable forces than China and also possess nuclear weapons. The particular problem is only between island countries + Japan + Korea + China in the South China sea. Lots of trade is being conducted there, lots of fishing, too. China wants to gobble up most of it and control the trade by force.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Aug 2 2023 02:19pm
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