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Aug 1 2023 08:57am
Quote (bogie160 @ 1 Aug 2023 22:48)
As it was said before, "Korea is a dagger pointed at the heart of Japan". Taiwan is not so different. China cannot control the sea without controlling Taiwan. Hostile control of Taiwan restricts American forces to beyond the first island chain, which in turn threatens Okinawa and the Japanese periphery.

I agree that an invasion is unlikely for at least 15 years.


I am already being very positive for the Chinese. Conservatively speaking not in the next 50 years or so that China can launch an amphibious assault on Taiwan.

Technology and military advancement that the Chinese makes no matter how fast it can be, it will not happen. This is not a WW2 situation where the Japanese marauder through the entire Asia in weeks and months.
Kinship and internal politics will make it very difficult for the Chinese when it comes to Taiwan.

You are right , taking Taiwan will be a huge blow to Korea and Japan as China will " effectively " control the the Taiwanese straits and it will be a economical threat to both South Korea and Japan.
The Americans will never want that to happen, but then again there is only so much we can predict, Domestic Politics in the United States might play a huge part.
That being said, the Foreign Policy Establishment in US will do whatever they can.

All said and done, a miscalculation will end up in the next Major Conflict / War since WW2 and we are probably " lucky or not lucky " enough to experience it.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Aug 1 2023 08:58am
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In 20 years most in the west wont give a fuck about Taiwan as the real reason why it's so important today is because it's the chip capital of the world. Once the US diversifies and brings production here, their strategic importance will fall off a cliff. China knows this. They don't need to invade, the can just wait it out then blockade and 'softly' bring Taiwan under it's arm when the time is right. Our debt will destroy our will to continue to spend like we do today.
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In 20 years most in the west wont give a fuck about Taiwan as the real reason why it's so important today is because it's the chip capital of the world. Once the US diversifies and brings production here, their strategic importance will fall off a cliff. China knows this. They don't need to invade, the can just wait it out then blockade and 'softly' bring Taiwan under it's arm when the time is right. Our debt will destroy our will to continue to spend like we do today.


Who do you think is leading the chip manufacturer plants in USA.

Taiwan

This past year they've okay'd more plants to be built in the USA. Many of which are under the flag of Taiwan.

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Who do you think is leading the chip manufacturer plants in USA.

Taiwan

This past year they've okay'd more plants to be built in the USA. Many of which are under the flag of Taiwan.


The Taiwan Flag will change to the US Flag sooner or later. It is global marketing to tell the world they stand with Taiwan, it is still USA controlled. When the dust settles it won't be TSMC anymore. Probably ASMC.
They will be absorbed and Americanized when the time is right.

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Quote (Mondain @ Aug 1 2023 04:47pm)
It's funny you say that!
The USA has somewhat reacently threatened to pull aid from certain Africa nations.


That aid = bribe. We know, the US knows and the people living there know that none of that money is going to be invested in a proper infrastructure project to improve people's living conditions.
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Who do you think is leading the chip manufacturer plants in USA.

Taiwan

This past year they've okay'd more plants to be built in the USA. Many of which are under the flag of Taiwan.


Taiwan semiconductors heavily rely on European chip making technology in physics/optics, specially the machines from Netherlands. Without them, they'd need 30years of physics research to get to the status quo of today.

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That aid = bribe. We know, the US knows and the people living there know that none of that money is going to be invested in a proper infrastructure project to improve people's living conditions.


even if it did go towards those thing, they couldn't make it work.
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Quote (Mondain @ Aug 1 2023 06:11pm)
even if it did go towards those thing, they couldn't make it work.


But selling them weapons for the money you paid in price is certainly going to bring peace long term :lol:
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But selling them weapons for the money you paid in price is certainly going to bring peace long term :lol:


if all they know is war, let them war. just saying
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Aug 1 2023 04:44pm)
I don't think they will lose to China per say. But they will lose some of their influence in ASEAN , that is for sure.
The US Dollar is still strong and will remain so for quite a long time.

You can check with our resident Pard bankers ^ofthevoid and ^Malopox for their views . ^_^

They will in the sense that they're going to run out of money. China in turns will face a huge recession due to the birth rate problem => multipolar world long term. That is going to be democracy on global level. Each region will decide upon its policies itself instead of someone else from overseas.
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if all they know is war, let them war. just saying

I know Africans first hand. They're nothing like Americans with African/European origins (most Afroamericans have at least 10% white genes). Keep being xenophobic.

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Quote (babun1024 @ Aug 1 2023 12:16pm)
I know Africans first hand. They're nothing like Americans with African/European origins (most Afroamericans have at least 10% white genes). Keep being xenophobic.


LOL wow reaching... I would date an african woman before an african american woman.
I'm ready to open that can of worms, they're more feminine.
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