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Oct 11 2020 08:33pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 12 2020 01:30pm)
Its not self defense if you start the altercation. You arent intelligent enough to understand.


There is zero physical contact period, one guy shoots mace, the other guy responds with a bullet, the dead asshole attacked first.
And seeing as he was there "counter protesting" he had no reason to go there in the first place unless looking for confrontation.
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There is zero physical contact period, one guy shoots mace, the other guy responds with a bullet, the dead asshole attacked first.
And seeing as he was there "counter protesting" he had no reason to go there in the first place unless looking for confrontation.


The shooter first grabbed at his mace then got bitch slapped. The shooter in this case began the physical altercation
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Quote (proccy @ Oct 11 2020 10:07pm)
The shooter first grabbed at his mace then got bitch slapped. The shooter in this case began the physical altercation


As per the pictures, the victim was clearly backing up as he was shot. The sequence showing his feet in relation to the brickwork makes it clear he was moving back
Not that any of that analysis is relevant.
Self defense requires perceiving a deadly threat. Nobody at that incident was presenting a deadly threat to a reasonable observer, getting pepper sprayed or slapped when police are ten feet away isn't grounds to shoot someone.
These rallies and protests have left-wing and right-wing hooligans pepper spraying each other aggressively all the damn time. Imagine a world where every little shove or thrown soup can or pepper spray was grounds to shoot someone in the head.

That's a contrast to the Kyle Rittenhouse example, which was preceded by someone else opening fire with a gun and someone jumping him and wrestling for control of the gun, bashing him with a blunt object while he's already on the ground and trying to shoot him with a handgun.
And it also contrasts with say the Trayvon/Zimmerman example, where Trayvon was unarmed but he had already smashed Zimmerman's head into the ground and was beating the shit out of him before he got shot.

The pictures here don't even make clear who was being the aggressor and who was reacting- it could have been either way. But they do make clear that one party was unarmed and not using any serious force or posing any deadly threat, while the other drew a gun and shot him
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Oct 11 2020 09:47pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 12 2020 02:39pm)
As per the pictures, the victim was clearly backing up as he was shot. The sequence showing his feet in relation to the brickwork makes it clear he was moving back
Not that any of that analysis is relevant.
Self defense requires perceiving a deadly threat. Nobody at that incident was presenting a deadly threat to a reasonable observer, getting pepper sprayed or slapped when police are ten feet away isn't grounds to shoot someone.
These rallies and protests have left-wing and right-wing hooligans pepper spraying each other aggressively all the damn time. Imagine a world where every little shove or thrown soup can or pepper spray was grounds to shoot someone in the head.

That's a contrast to the Kyle Rittenhouse example, which was preceded by someone else opening fire with a gun and someone jumping him and wrestling for control of the gun, bashing him with a blunt object while he's already on the ground and trying to shoot him with a handgun.
And it also contrasts with say the Trayvon/Zimmerman example, where Trayvon was unarmed but he had already smashed Zimmerman's head into the ground and was beating the shit out of him before he got shot.

The pictures here don't even make clear who was being the aggressor and who was reacting- it could have been either way. But they do make clear that one party was unarmed and not using any serious force or posing any deadly threat, while the other drew a gun and shot him


Pepper spray is a weapon, and you are trying to make it out to be harmless, it is far from it.
You keep saying unarmed, he was HOLDING pepper spray and USING it.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Oct 11 2020 09:53pm
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Oct 11 2020 09:59pm
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Pepper spray is a weapon, and you are trying to make it out to be harmless, it is far from it.
You keep saying unarmed, he was HOLDING pepper spray and USING it.


Self defense requires perceiving a deadly threat.
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Oct 11 2020 10:23pm
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Self defense requires perceiving a deadly threat.


People have died from pepper spray, anything else?
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People have died from pepper spray, anything else?


If pepper spray kills you, you're meant to die
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Oct 11 2020 10:28pm
Calling pepper spray a deadly weapon :rofl:

There's no arguing with that level of stupid sorry m8
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Calling pepper spray a deadly weapon :rofl:

There's no arguing with that level of stupid sorry m8


https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2016/03/16/lethal-in-disguise-the-health-hazards-of-pepper-spray/#6bd9cc1d2979
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Self defense requires perceiving a deadly threat.


pepper spray can blind you temp. and make unable to defend yourself.
I am interested if that gets listed as self defense or not
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