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Jun 26 2022 08:44pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 26 2022 07:32pm)
If the legislative purpose is present, then what's the issue?

I happen to believe that one of the purposes of Congressional oversight is to reveal wrongdoing of the executive branch... I didn't know some conservatives opposed that. Actually, it goes beyond that. The 9/11 commission wasn't just for fixing laws, it was used to reveal to the American people what happened.

There's evidence that he was involved in the coup attempt, and he's refusing to participate in the Congressional investigation. Congress should have power to investigate legitimate issues, therefore, DOJ is right to charge him. Because they are enforcing a legal statute in an appropriate manner.


Navarro was not at the Capitol, nor is the accusation that he, or Trump, coordinated with the mob at the Capitol. What is the legislative purpose behind the subpoena, aside from the obvious, that they hope to extract politically damaging media bytes against Trump?

Participating in a coup is a really serious allegation, with clear and specific legal implications. What is this evidence?
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Jun 26 2022 09:03pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 26 2022 02:05pm)
I have no idea what that is.

Navarro and Clark are obviously involved in the plot to steal the election. In America, plotting and executing a coup on the incoming administration isn't legitimate political activity, and they may have violated laws, so investigations by the Justice Department are an example of our system working.


In America, everyone is free to make political arguments, including contesting the results of elections and their legitimacy. If an election isn't allowed to be contested, then it can't be legitimate. A regime that imprisons people for merely alleging fraud is a fraudulent regime.
The January 6th Committee is premised that our senators should be treated as an untouchable ruling class. There's no danger to American democracy from chuds aimlessly wandering the capitol building. Our institutions aren't sacred. Our representatives aren't high priests. They are citizens and representatives of those citizens, nothing more, their lives aren't worth any more than any other citizen, and the form and manner of bureaucracy has no value next to its function. The capitol was destroyed in 1812, democracy wasn't, democracy is more resilient than aristocracy.

There is, however, a clear and present danger from repressive authoritarianism run amok. The Obama administration ratcheted up the centralization and overreach of federal authority, but it was child's play compared to how the Biden administration is weaponizing the DoJ. In America, a president shouldn't be keeping a whole wing of a jail filled with his political prisoners. Storm troopers shouldn't be raiding the homes of journalists in the middle of the night to seize information on their confidential sources because they dared report on the president's personal affairs. Protesters shouldn't be mass arrested the moment they show up to a rally without any rioting occurring. Economists and advisors shouldn't be shackled and arrested for expressing political views.

Democracy can't be destroyed by chuds or rioters or even an external terrorist threat like Al Qaeda in the 2000s. Democracy can be destroyed by repressive tyrants who start abusing the levers of government they control to subjugate their opposition.
The biggest test we're facing right now is how Democrats want to stop the American electorate from being able to vote for Donald Trump in 2024. They don't want it to be a referendum of American opinion, they want it to be a banana republic
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Jun 26 2022 09:06pm
And lets admit it, Peter Navarro's real crime and the ultimate reason he was arrested is because he dared to say that free trade isn't a positive sum game.
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Jun 26 2022 09:10pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 26 2022 08:03pm)
In America, everyone is free to make political arguments, including contesting the results of elections and their legitimacy. If an election isn't allowed to be contested, then it can't be legitimate. A regime that imprisons people for merely alleging fraud is a fraudulent regime.
The January 6th Committee is premised that our senators should be treated as an untouchable ruling class. There's no danger to American democracy from chuds aimlessly wandering the capitol building. Our institutions aren't sacred. Our representatives aren't high priests. They are citizens and representatives of those citizens, nothing more, their lives aren't worth any more than any other citizen, and the form and manner of bureaucracy has no value next to its function. The capitol was destroyed in 1812, democracy wasn't, democracy is more resilient than aristocracy.

There is, however, a clear and present danger from repressive authoritarianism run amok. The Obama administration ratcheted up the centralization and overreach of federal authority, but it was child's play compared to how the Biden administration is weaponizing the DoJ. In America, a president shouldn't be keeping a whole wing of a jail filled with his political prisoners. Storm troopers shouldn't be raiding the homes of journalists in the middle of the night to seize information on their confidential sources because they dared report on the president's personal affairs. Protesters shouldn't be mass arrested the moment they show up to a rally without any rioting occurring. Economists and advisors shouldn't be shackled and arrested for expressing political views.

Democracy can't be destroyed by chuds or rioters or even an external terrorist threat like Al Qaeda in the 2000s. Democracy can be destroyed by repressive tyrants who start abusing the levers of government they control to subjugate their opposition.
The biggest test we're facing right now is how Democrats want to stop the American electorate from being able to vote for Donald Trump in 2024. They don't want it to be a referendum of American opinion, they want it to be a banana republic


This is all utter BS
Was told there was NO significant fraud, from his own team
When trump enlisted DOJ to overturn, or at the end just claim in was corrupt to create un trust in an election to benefit himself.
Asked to seize voting machines
Grifted $$$ from his followers to line pockets for a election fund that didn't even exist.
Tried to replace fairly chosen electors with fake ones.
Asked the then acting VP to falsify the election. Basically just because he doesn't like to lose.
Asked and pressured other states to "create or "find" missing ballots as the president.
Took completely false information to court. So many un truth's they removed Giuliani's license. This was over seen by R judges.
on and on and on.
It's not really just about the PB wanting to hang the VP.. that is pretty shitty.
but is blatantly dishonest to call this about a a few random chuds and rioters.
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Jun 26 2022 09:15pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 26 Jun 2022 23:06)
And lets admit it, Peter Navarro's real crime and the ultimate reason he was arrested is because he dared to say that free trade isn't a positive sum game.

imagine if he said inflation was real. they’d have done him already

Quote (bogie160 @ 26 Jun 2022 22:44)
Navarro was not at the Capitol, nor is the accusation that he, or Trump, coordinated with the mob at the Capitol. What is the legislative purpose behind the subpoena, aside from the obvious, that they hope to extract politically damaging media bytes against Trump?

Participating in a coup is a really serious allegation, with clear and specific legal implications. What is this evidence?

The last true attack that was carried out on Congress was in 2017. A member of Congress was shot multiple times and came within inches of death. The attack was done by a a lifelong Democrat who volunteered for a member of Congress aligned with Democrats. It was inspired by the ongoing rhetoric of the media and Democratic party members.

Was there a trial to hold these parties accountable? Of course not.

Quote (theCrossbones @ 26 Jun 2022 23:10)
This is all utter BS
Was told there was NO significant fraud, from his own team
When trump enlisted DOJ to overturn, or at the end just claim in was corrupt to create un trust in an election to benefit himself.
Asked to seize voting machines
Grifted $$$ from his followers to line pockets for a election fund that didn't even exist.
Tried to replace fairly chosen electors with fake ones.
Asked the then acting VP to falsify the election. Basically just because he doesn't like to lose.
Asked and pressured other states to "create or "find" missing ballots as the president.
Took completely false information to court. So many un truth's they removed Giuliani's license. This was over seen by R judges.
on and on and on.
It's not really just about the PB wanting to hang the VP.. that is pretty shitty.
but is blatantly dishonest to call this about a a few random chuds and rioters.


no one is reading your rage essay, racist:

Quote (theCrossbones @ 25 Jun 2022 12:18)
I hope they ban inter racial marriage
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Jun 26 2022 09:17pm
Quote (excellence @ Jun 26 2022 08:15pm)
imagine if he said inflation was real. they’d have done him already


The last true attack that was carried out on Congress was in 2017. A member of Congress was shot multiple times and came within inches of death. The attack was done by a a lifelong Democrat who volunteered for a member of Congress aligned with Democrats. It was inspired by the ongoing rhetoric of the media and Democratic party members.

Was there a trial to hold these parties accountable? Of course not.



no one is reading your rage essay, racist:


its really funny you cut/past the quote because you are so emotionally challenged you look for made up gothca's. you fail at everything. Here's the non edited quote for the non mentally challenged referring to Thomas' "its not outlined in the constitution therefore not protected"


This post was edited by theCrossbones on Jun 26 2022 09:18pm
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Jun 26 2022 09:37pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jun 26 2022 10:10pm)
This is all utter BS
Was told there was NO significant fraud, from his own team


And in America you're free to make claims that are wrong. Its not for the government to decide what the one truth is and incarcerate anyone who questions it.
This isn't a national debate over whether Trump was right or wrong about the election being stolen, this is about Democrats trying to imprison people who alleged the election was stolen.

Quote (excellence @ Jun 26 2022 10:15pm)
imagine if he said inflation was real. they’d have done him already


A heavily bruised Peter Navarro emerges from Merrick Garland's black site being frog marched by two armed guard, trembling as he declares that inflation is transitory and solely the product of Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
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Jun 26 2022 09:40pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jun 26 2022 11:17pm)
its really funny you cut/past the quote because you are so emotionally challenged you look for made up gothca's. you fail at everything. Here's the non edited quote for the non mentally challenged referring to Thomas' "its not outlined in the constitution therefore not protected"
https://i.imgur.com/RXk7XxV.png




No matter how it's said, it means the same thing.
Those previous rulings DO need to be looked into. This is NOT saying that they will receive the same judgement....now.

They may be valid for other reasons. But we won't KNOW if they are never looked at.
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Jun 26 2022 09:41pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 26 2022 08:37pm)
And in America you're free to make claims that are wrong. Its not for the government to decide what the one truth is and incarcerate anyone who questions it.
This isn't a national debate over whether Trump was right or wrong about the election being stolen, this is about Democrats trying to imprison people who alleged the election was stolen.



A heavily bruised Peter Navarro emerges from Merrick Garland's black site being frog marched by two armed guard, trembling as he declares that inflation is transitory and solely the product of Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine.


yes they can make claims but they can't attempt to change an election outcome just because they don't like it.
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Jun 26 2022 09:48pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jun 26 2022 10:41pm)
yes they can make claims but they can't attempt to change an election outcome just because they don't like it.


So we should have locked up Al Gore?
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