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they dont even hide anymore, that ukraine is just the sacrificial lamb

the author is a well known warmonger

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/18/ukraine-war-west-gloom/

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Jul 20 2023 11:47am
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This is Trump-aligned "thinktank" ... Even missleading regarding Ukrainians losses at the very begining.

Sample from a real military expert:
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From May 8 to July 13, Oryx indicates approximately 200 Russian artillery pieces destroyed or damaged for sure, which is already considerable and represents, in two and a half months, a quarter of the total Russian losses observed since the beginning of the war.
Add to this the statements of General Popov, the recently sacked commander of the 58th Russian army, who speaks clearly of the Russian difficulties in this battle.
It will probably be necessary to wait until the end of August to have an idea of the turn of the major Ukrainian offensive operations, and therefore also of the turn of the war.
"


Do you agree or disagree that Ukraine's counter-offensive has failed to breach Russian (prepared) defensive lines?

https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375

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Jul 20 2023 11:50am
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they dont even hide anymore, that ukraine is just the sacrificial lamb

the author is a well known warmonger

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/18/ukraine-war-west-gloom/


>Germany has rediscovered it's sense of values.

I love it how we can cuck a country into paying way higher prices for their energy for many years to come, upending their economics of their production industries and frame it as a good. Oh and the fact that we 'convinced' them to provide tens of billions in additional military aid when their country was never at any sort of military threat.



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Jul 20 2023 11:58am
Germany's own fault for being so ridiculously anti-nuclear. They left themselves open to both Russia and the US. India and China too. They'll be paying for it for a long time.
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Quote (bogie160 @ 20 Jul 2023 17:47)
Do you agree or disagree that Ukraine's counter-offensive has failed to breach Russian (prepared) defensive lines?
https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375


This is almost semantics gym. No they didn't fail since they are slowly advancing while destroying russian equipment, right now. At some point Russian defenses could collapse.
Don't forget Ukraine didn't engage all its ressources in the actual offensive(s). If something failed it could be the first "testing the enemy defenses" incursions, more than a month ago, for 1-2 weeks.

copy/pasta:

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From May 8 to July 13, Oryx indicates approximately 200 Russian artillery pieces destroyed or damaged for sure, which is already considerable and represents, in two and a half months, a quarter of the total Russian losses observed since the beginning of the war.
Add to this the statements of General Popov, the recently sacked commander of the 58th Russian army, who speaks clearly of the Russian difficulties in this battle.
It will probably be necessary to wait until the end of August to have an idea of the turn of the major Ukrainian offensive operations, and therefore also of the turn of the war.
"

=> I could ask you: Do you agree or disagree that Russia has failed its "special operation" and that it will never be able to replace the Ukrainian government by its own puppets ?

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Jul 20 2023 02:20pm)
This is almost semantics gym. No they didn't fail since they are slowly advancing while destroying russian equipment, right now. At some point Russian defenses could collapse.
Don't forget Ukraine didn't engage all its ressources in the actual offensive(s). If something failed it could be the first "testing the enemy defenses" incursions, more than a month ago, for 1-2 weeks.

copy/pasta:

"
From May 8 to July 13, Oryx indicates approximately 200 Russian artillery pieces destroyed or damaged for sure, which is already considerable and represents, in two and a half months, a quarter of the total Russian losses observed since the beginning of the war.
Add to this the statements of General Popov, the recently sacked commander of the 58th Russian army, who speaks clearly of the Russian difficulties in this battle.
It will probably be necessary to wait until the end of August to have an idea of the turn of the major Ukrainian offensive operations, and therefore also of the turn of the war.
"

=> I could ask you: Do you agree or disagree that Russia has failed its "special operation" and that it will never be able to replace the Ukrainian government by its own puppets ?


Of course they failed the initial object of their invasion, they did not decapitate the Kiev government, failed to seize Odessa, and were forced to abandon Kherson and their positions around Kharkiv.

To the bold, it's not that they're advancing slowly, if they were methodically crushing Russian lines while preserving their own forces, we might hold out hope for Ukrainian battlefield victory. Instead they've taken significant material losses and they've yet to breach the first of Russian defensive lines, which the Russians have prepared in depth. If the gist of this offensive is "it will fail, but perhaps Russia will collapse politically independently and at the same time" then it's not a very good offensive.
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Jul 20 2023 01:14pm
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>Germany has rediscovered it's sense of values.

I love it how we can cuck a country into paying way higher prices for their energy for many years to come, upending their economics of their production industries and frame it as a good. Oh and the fact that we 'convinced' them to provide tens of billions in additional military aid when their country was never at any sort of military threat.


of course its good.....for the united states

its an official goal of american geopolitics to prevent the economies of germany and russia from teaming up

now they really did cut the resource and energy supply instead of just lobbying against it

who is now providing energy they desperately need for multiple times the price? the US

who is getting fresh multi billion deals to rebuild the german military? the US

who will get a big chunk of the industry that is getting the fuck out of germany? the US

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Of course they failed the initial object of their invasion, they did not decapitate the Kiev government, failed to seize Odessa, and were forced to abandon Kherson and their positions around Kharkiv.

To the bold, it's not that they're advancing slowly, if they were methodically crushing Russian lines while preserving their own forces, we might hold out hope for Ukrainian battlefield victory. Instead they've taken significant material losses and they've yet to breach the first of Russian defensive lines, which the Russians have prepared in depth. If the gist of this offensive is "it will fail, but perhaps Russia will collapse politically independently and at the same time" then it's not a very good offensive.


I'm afraid you are talking about the first incursions only, What do you have to say about the quote i posted ?
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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine - from July 21 all vessels heading in the waters of the Black Sea in the direction of seaports of the Russian Federation may be considered by Ukraine as carrying military cargo with all the associated risks.
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