Need I remind you who won ww2?

Anyway, it was a poor comparison on my part. Russia has a vastly superior technological advantage to Ukraine, who's military industry is basically thoroughly wrecked at this point.

The only reason Russia aren't taking even *less* casualties is because they are fighting with one hand tied behind their back, and deliberately avoiding the total destruction of cities wherever possible.

No, you just cheerlead for bonafide 3rd generation neo-nazi's that have been slaughtering their own people recklessly for the past 8 years and know nothing except for hatred.

I guarantee that if Russia did nothing and Ukraine moved to attack DPR/LPR and destroy it as they were planning, and kill tens of thousands in the process, your crocodile tears would be nowhere to be found.

You don't give a damn about the people of Donbass. Their lives are worthless in your eyes. Well, the fascists in Ukraine subscribe to that very same ideology. So what are you then?

That's what coming out, from RT?

you mean "won" in sacrificing over 25 million people? the losers of the war recovered faster and better than the soviet union

It is, just like maiming and torturing russian pow's. Difference today is, one is spammed all across the world as a headline meanwhile the other was barely acknowledged by the Ukrainian officials and was not even mentioned in most MSM. I get it though, there's a propaganda war happening right beside the real war. It's like during the Syria war, a dead child on a beach or ruins of Aleppo were constantly spammed in the west, meanwhile Al-Nusra fighters or as the media often called them, 'moderate rebels' were presented as freedom fighters rising up against a tyrant.

I think the distinction does matter though. It matters if it's armed men shot dead or it's literal unarmed civilians who didn't pick up arms that were basically rounded up just to be killed. While both are war crimes the latter is a lot more heinous and despicable.



I like to try and make sense of the world while you guys seem content on believing simplified good versus bad moralistic versions of reality. It's possible for both sides to commit war crimes. It's both possible that there are/were Nazis in Ukraine and that Russia using that as a excuse to invade was largely trash and overblown and their objections were to get Ukraine back into the Russia camp. It's possible that Ukraine bombing the Donbass for 5 years resulting in 14k dead to be true and Russia using that as an excuse to severely escalate a war not being justified. It's also entirely possible that these men were Ukrainian fighters who died in battle or were POW's and now this is being framed by you as literally gunning down running unarmed civilians who if they let go would expose the Russian positions, as if the women and kids who can do the same wouldn't do this, again the logic kind of breaks down here.

I just refuse to believe in takes in which stuff can't be at least somewhat logically explained, instead the deduction is it's because they're clearly evil.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 3 2022 03:31pm

I think i already said it a few pages ago. In war, both sides commit war crimes, and the worse things get the worse the crimes, thats the reality. it is clearly getting alot worse and its the leading narrative across the planet relating to the war. In the aftermath of the current changing situaiton, more is coming to light.

Israel: UK, Germany threaten new sanctions after alleged Bucha massacre
Ireland: West voices horror as mass graves discovered in Ukraine
England (BBC): As Moscow's forces retreat from areas near Kyiv, evidence of civilian killings is mounting. Reporters in the town of Bucha, outside Kyiv, have found at least 20 bodies strewn in the streets. Germany condemns a "terrible war crime". France's President Macron calls pictures from the scene "unbearable". The UK PM says "despicable attacks" are evidence of war crimes. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken describes scenes of bodies on the street as a "punch to the gut"
Germany (Spiegel): The Ukrainians have liberated the town of Trostyanets following a month of Russian occupation. The occupiers left behind destruction, dead civilians and a shaken populace – who say the Russian soldiers didn't even know why they were there in the first place.
China: Xi: Ukraine peace talks vital
Al Jazeera: Russia-Ukraine live news: UN chief urges independent Bucha probe

Human Rights Watch: (Warsaw) – Human Rights Watch has documented several cases of Russian military forces committing laws-of-war violations against civilians in occupied areas of the Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Kyiv regions of Ukraine. These include a case of repeated rape; two cases of summary execution, one of six men, the other of one man; and other cases of unlawful violence and threats against civilians between February 27 and March 14, 2022. Soldiers were also implicated in looting civilian property, including food, clothing, and firewood. Those who carried out these abuses are responsible for war crimes.

The Sunday Times: Zelensky accuses Russia of genocide in Irpin and Bucha Massacre of ‘hundreds of civilians’ fuels calls for war crimes case against Putin

The Interceptdotcom: Amid overwhelming evidence that Russian forces have committed war crimes during an unprovoked war of aggression in Ukraine, Ukrainian officials were confronted this week with video that appeared to show Ukrainian soldiers shooting captive Russian soldiers in the legs. Although Ukraine’s senior military leader and its domestic intelligence agency both insisted that the video posted on social networks on Sunday was “a fake” produced by Russia, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy promised that the government would investigate and punish those responsible if the incident did take place. On Monday, a well-known Ukrainian journalist, Yuri Butusov, published graphic video showing the charred remains of three men he identified as Russian soldiers, as Ukrainian forces recaptured the town of Malaya Rohan, outside Kharkiv, over the weekend. Although Butusov made no mention of the video of the alleged war crime, a visual analysis of his footage shows that it was clearly filmed in the same location as the video of the prisoners being shot, some time after that incident.

All of that above should not surprise anyone, but rather it is a product of war. Because there is so much focus on this in our western world, we will hear and see alot more then if it had been somewhere in say, the middle east, or china.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 3 2022 03:40pm

I'm not gonna cry if Nazis buy the farm. But you don't get to use this as a talking point while using Nazis in your fight.

Lol, "move to attack" with 100K commies on the border? As if.

I care about people in general, including the poor Russian slaves being sent on a fool's errand to subjugate their neighbors. People deserve to live free.



You're a Putin apologist all over this thread.

"It's coming out..." of the Kremlin, thanks to you. Let's see some real sources.

No, you don't. The evidence at this point clearly suggests war crimes have been committed, and you have been giving excuses for an illegal invasion for the past 5 weeks, shifting aggressive actions by Russia as the West's fault

did we not move beyond the causes of this conflict (noting there was no agreement). I also agree that it is clear (and expected) that war crimes (both sides, but accept that more will be committed by the russians) are being and will continue to be committed. There is no excuse or justification for the invasion but rather a cause which led to it. obviously we dont need to go over that again.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 3 2022 03:45pm