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Jul 19 2023 10:02am
Quote (Norlander @ Jul 19 2023 08:31am)
Even better video. Now with subs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzsD8Gm7rvc


Send more please- this guy’s videos are fantastic and full of facts
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Jul 19 2023 10:03am
South Africa says Putin agreed not to attend BRICS summit :rolleyes:

(reuters)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/south-africa-says-putin-agreed-not-to-attend-brics-summit/ar-AA1e4cGS


Quote (ferdia @ 19 Jul 2023 08:27)
he didnt read the link he posted, again. "Nearly 44 percent of the exports have been shipped to what the UN calls high-income countries.".

it is mind boggling how someone can use links to support their claims when those links dont support the claims made. that link even spells out key factors that refute the claims! The least one should do is read the full article, understand what is there and then comment on it.

even the image with the article spells it out!!

https://i.imgur.com/V4w36Uf.png


Russia stole grain, and last night targeted and destroyed 60.000 tons of grain odessa area.
Russia is also blocking ways:Prices will increase, this is what i said. Now the sub-human can make third party post bitching 3 times in a row (and acting like it is a vctim after that) I'm starting to be used to these crab-education tactics.

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Russia stole grain, and last night targeted and destroyed 60.000 tons of grain odessa area.


How many will it be in croissants?
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Jul 19 2023 10:34am
So during this bridge attck, 2 russian civilians died. Yes -2-

Just hear what this guy is saying about it:

at 05:47 or 07:12 if no time

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Jul 19 2023 10:43am
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1681682986721222661

pretty much just a formality given the grain deal being defunct, but Russia has declared a full blockade on any ships traveling to Ukrainian ports regardless of their flag


also the aftermath pictures popping up from yesterdays strikes do seem to confirm that all the ukrainian ports were simultaneously blown out and grain elevators / etc destroyed on a large scale, so its not like grain haulers were going to try it anyway

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Jul 19 2023 10:49am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 19 2023 12:43pm)
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1681682986721222661

pretty much just a formality given the grain deal being defunct, but Russia has declared a full blockade on any ships traveling to Ukrainian ports regardless of their flag


I seen something on Twitter where some Turkish officials rejected any notion that Turkey’s navy would provide any sort of protection or escort for ship carriers from Ukraine.

Additionally most foreign shippers (I.e. many of them Greek vessels) have made it clear they won’t go near those ports without some guarantees from the Russian side.

Ukraine has asked to possibly use Romanian/Bulgarian ports to ship from but I have a hard time seeing the benefit to those countries so why would they agree.

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Jul 19 2023 10:52am
Quote (babun1024 @ Jul 19 2023 12:44am)
The ideal end would've been not breaking out in the first place. By now, it's getting uglier every single day. Countless people are dying for the defining of "final'" borders.


Quote (Santara @ Jul 19 2023 02:37am)
That is not what was asked. The war has started, and wishing it away doesn't answer a question about what's your ideal end for it.


This.
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Jul 19 2023 11:04am
No end to this can qualify as ideal now.
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Jul 19 2023 11:09am
Quote (Vastet @ Jul 19 2023 10:04am)
No end to this can qualify as ideal now.


Seems like people are reticent to comment. It makes me wonder how many people in PaRD are hoping that Russia is successful.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ 19 Jul 2023 13:09)
Seems like people are reticent to comment. It makes me wonder how many people in PaRD are hoping that Russia is successful.


Russia is going to be successful on some level by the time this is over. There isn't remotely enough opposition to the war within any of the power bases that could swing the country to back down. They will not stop and the West isn't willing to push hard enough to try forcing them to.

The question of what an ideal solution would be depends. If you support the West: then Russia backing down, begging forgiveness, and paying reparations to Ukraine would be ideal. If you support Russia: then the West backing down, dropping all sanctions and repaying Russia for the property and assets stolen from them in combination with a guarantee that NATO will cease attempts to expand in perpetuity would be ideal. If you support Ukraine, which part of Ukraine you support will dictate which side of the super powers playing with them you prefer.

None of that is going to happen.

If you're anyone else, no WW3 is an ideal solution.
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