Again, that isn't the question. What's the ideal way FORWARD to end it, from your point of view. All your comment is, is "please stop throwing gas on the fire." The fire is still burning.

We don't have enough info to tell the outcome. MSM is lying, Ukraine is lying and Russia is lying. The counter-offensive isn't working as hoped, can't even breach the first line of defense in 6 weeks. Russia doesn't seem to have the means to conquer Ukraine as well. Looks like a stalemate and a war of attrition.An agreement is going to be reached when one of the parties runs out of resources. As of now, Ukraine looks more likely to crumble given time than Russia. The problem is Russia is unlikely to agree to another Minsk III agreement type because the previous ones weren't honored at all. An agreement would effectively freeze the conflict for the upcoming years to start anew.
Conclusion: Russia is going to try to achieve as much as possible with their means until they can't anymore. It's not about Ukraine anymore. Ukraine can't negotiate anything because Russia isn't interested. We, the west, should support Ukraine with everything possible with the thought in mind there is going to be a time after the war.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jul 19 2023 04:29am

For Russian speaking fellas and those familiar with GPT and translators. 3.5 hours of pure quality.

Because copium when one cannot cope, whatever he or she sees on the internet with headlines that somehow vaguely support his / her narrative, that particular individual will post it without a second thought.
Basically those particular NPC will throw you 100s of articles for sources and they never even go through the first 30 seconds of it in order to glorify their compassionate virtue and social justice stance which they have none.

Russia has been hammering Ukraine’s ports in the last 2 days.

https://twitter.com/AlexBondODUA/status/1681539865622597632

Odessa looks quite vulnerable especially now Russia isn't honoring the grain deal
It still seems like a fact that a year and a half since this started, Russia still has the ability to raze major population centers that haven't been evacuated. And certainly knocked on them in response to the Kerch bridge being hit. Odessa and Kiev aren't at risk of Russia getting in range for pummeling them with artillery like front line cities such as Mariupol, but we've known since the start of the war that anything Ukraine claims about Russian missiles/drones and shooting down 100% of them is pure bullshit. When Russia actually pounds them, we get the videos on social media every time.

supposedly the target list was two airfields, three ports, two bridges. Still all kinds of people living in high rise apartment blocks right next to them. And afaik it might also have the people evacuated from the dnipro flooding since most probably wanted to go past mykolaiv. Which also got bombed in the same round last night anyway

Odessa locals shared vids confirming that all Russian drones and missiles were shot down. No targets of value were hit, some debris fell on an apartment block injuring a pregnant woman.

(Odessa attack first couple minutes of this vid)

Even better video. Now with subs.



This post was edited by Norlander on Jul 19 2023 06:46am

What a mess

Indeed, Zelensky tries to assassinate Ukrainian "Navalny".