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Jul 18 2023 02:49am
Quote (ferdia @ 18 Jul 2023 08:37)
Dear oh dear.
I invite people to read the article in question, in full, and make up their own minds.
Never say "read the article in full" if you have not done so yourself.


And Russia did nothing wrong (nor sold any shit to any sick regimes), so let's focuse on US sales to Saudi Arabia...
Please read it full !! :rofl:
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Jul 18 2023 02:52am
Quote (Meanwhile @ 18 Jul 2023 04:49)
And Russia did nothing wrong (nor sold any shit to any sick regimes), so let's focuse on US sales to Saudi Arabia...
Please read it full !! :rofl:


Copying your argument, I guess all the attacks on civilians in Ukraine were plants too. There's 0 proof Russia was responsible.
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Jul 18 2023 02:59am
Quote (Vastet @ 18 Jul 2023 08:52)
Copying your argument, I guess all the attacks on civilians in Ukraine were plants too. There's 0 proof Russia was responsible.


If you watch Russian state TV eventually, thus it's getting hacked sometimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Look, i will be nice: you only have to read half of it, GL !
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Jul 18 2023 03:01am
Quote (Meanwhile @ 18 Jul 2023 04:59)
If you watch Russian state TV eventually, thus it's getting hacked sometimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Look, i will be nice: you only have to read half of it, GL !


Russian media adamantly denies targeting civilians try again.
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Jul 18 2023 03:27am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Jul 18 2023 10:59am)
If you watch Russian state TV eventually, thus it's getting hacked sometimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Look, i will be nice: you only have to read half of it, GL !


The attack on the Crimea bridge killed two innocent civilians in their car and you celebrated.

F off hypocrite
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Jul 18 2023 03:59am
The article in full, from the Guardian:

US supplied bomb that killed 40 children on Yemen school bus

Eleven adults also died and 79 people were wounded
Bomb sold to Saudi Arabia was made by Lockheed Martin


Julian Borger in Washington, Sun 19 Aug 2018 15.24 BST, Last modified on Mon 20 Aug 2018 15.48 BST

The bomb dropped on a school bus in Yemen by a Saudi-led coalition warplane was sold to Riyadh by the US, according to reports based on analysis of the debris. A child injured in the airstrike rests in hospital. 'The sound of children screaming keeps replaying': a Red Cross nurse in Yemen

The 9 August attack killed 40 boys aged from six to 11 who were being taken on a school trip. Eleven adults also died. Local authorities said that 79 people were wounded, 56 of them children. CNN reported that the weapon used was a 227kg laser-guided bomb made by Lockheed Martin, one of many thousands sold to Saudi Arabia as part of billions of dollars of weapons exports. Saudi Arabia is the biggest single customer for both the US and UK arms industries. The US also supports the coalition with refuelling and intelligence.

The investigative journalism site Bellingcat identified bomb fragments, on photographs and videos taken soon after the bombing, as coming from a laser-guided version of a Mk-82 bomb called a GBU-12 Paveway II. Based on marking on a fin segment of the bomb, Bellingcat traced the bomb to a shipment of a thousand of such bombs to Saudi Arabia, approved by the state department in 2015, during the Obama administration. A spokesperson for Lockheed Martin referred questions about the bombing to the Pentagon. The defence department has said it does not make tactical targeting decision for the Saudi-led coalition but does provide support to improve targeting. “I will tell you that we do help them plan what we call, kind of targeting,” the defense secretary, James Mattis, said. “We do not do dynamic targeting for them.”

The Bellingcat report cautioned that the bomb fragments had not been photographed where they had fallen, but had been gathered together, leaving open the possibility that they had been planted. CNN said it had worked with Yemeni journalists and munitions experts on its own identification of the bomb.

The Obama administration offered Saudi Arabia more than $115bn in weapons in the course of its two four-year terms, more than any previous US administration, according to a report in 2016. After the bombing of a funeral hall in October 2016 that killed 155 people, Barack Obama halted the sale of guided munition technology to Saudi Arabia, on the grounds that improved precision would not save civilian lives if the Saudi-led coalition were not taking care to avoid hitting non-military targets. The sales were reinstated by the Trump administration’s first secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, in March 2017.

Saudi and US officials have insisted that efforts are constantly being made to limit civilian casualties in the campaign against Houthi rebels, but United Nations figures show the civilian death toll rising, with April this year becoming the bloodiest month of the war so far. According to the most recent report by the UN high commission for human rights, there have been 17,062 civilian casualties since 2015, including 6,592 dead and 10,470 injured. Mourners carry the coffin of a child at the funeral procession for those killed in an airstrike on a bus in Yemen.
Yemen school bus bombing 'one of 50 strikes on civilian vehicles this year'

“The majority of these casualties – 10,471 – were as a result of airstrikes carried out by the Saudi-led coalition,” the report said. The Trump administration has given unstinting support to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, echoing their portrayal of the Houthis as Iranian proxies. Congress, however, has become increasingly sceptical about continuing US arms sales to the coalition. The ranking Democrat on the Senate foreign relations committee, Bob Menendez, has held up a sale of 120,000 guided munitions to Saudi Arabia and the UAE. The administration could ignore his opposition and go ahead with the sale, but it would risk being over-ridden by the Senate.

“I think Congress could block this deal because it has just got so outrageous,” said William Hartung, the director of the arms and security project at the Centre for International Policy. “The argument of the Trump administration and the Saudis is that the US is giving assistance in improving targeting, but more civilians have been killed in the last year than the year before. Whatever value that fiction might have had is now long gone.”

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i.e. CNN Independently verified that the bomb came from the US.

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So when one mocks someone for not reading an article in full THAT THEY THEMSELVES HAVE NOT READ OR DONT UNDERSTAND, this is the result.

This is another fine example of referring to articles or video's to support a position without having fully read/watched/understood the article.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 18 2023 04:10am
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Jul 18 2023 05:30am
Poland will not open its market for Ukrainian grain after the termination of the "grain deal" - Prime Minister of Poland.
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Jul 18 2023 05:48am
Quote (Norlander @ Jul 18 2023 12:30pm)
Poland will not open its market for Ukrainian grain after the termination of the "grain deal" - Prime Minister of Poland.


I am reading it differently, i see this on euronews#com

The European Union has blocked grain imports to Poland and four other countries following concerns low-cost products will damage farmers' businesses. The European Union has again extended a ban on Ukrainian grain imports to five countries, including Poland. The move follows anger and protests from Polish farmers who were left with unsold grain or forced to sell it cheaply when faced with lower Ukrainian prices.

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The decision seeks to soothe the rising anger of farmers in central Europe, who say they are losing huge amounts of money to a glut of Ukrainian grain on the market. Basically, protectionism, against cheaper grain, by polish farmers / the EU.

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If i got that wrong I am all ears! This is, in essence, exactly what is happening with NS2, whereby we now have to pay more because the US, sorry, i mean, Ukraine, blew up Nord Stream 2. and, this is, in essense, why the cost of living crisis is getting worse, because across the globe protectionism and globalization has the net affect of cutting out competitors with cheaper products.

its fascinating the hoops we are jumping through here to make our lives more difficult.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 18 2023 05:54am
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Jul 18 2023 05:53am
Quote (ferdia @ Jul 18 2023 01:48pm)
I am reading it differently, i see this:

The European Union has blocked grain imports to Poland and four other countries following concerns low-cost products will damage farmers' businesses. The European Union has again extended a ban on Ukrainian grain imports to five countries, including Poland. The move follows anger and protests from Polish farmers who were left with unsold grain or forced to sell it cheaply when faced with lower Ukrainian prices.

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basically, protectionism, against cheaper grain.


That's bad version of protectionism. If Ukraine cannot export their grain, grain prices on global market are going to rise. Every edible is going to become even more expensive, not even talking about millions of people who are going to die of starvation.
Stupid EU and stupid Russia.
83% of that grain export went to rich countries btw. Only, 17% went to Africa.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jul 18 2023 05:55am
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Jul 18 2023 05:55am
Quote (babun1024 @ Jul 18 2023 12:53pm)
That's bad version of protectionism. If Ukraine cannot export their grain, grain prices on global market are going to rise. Every edigle is going to become even more expensive, not even talking about millions of people who are going to die of starvation.
Stupid EU and stupid Russia.


i made a edit to my post but overall, stupid world, does string to mind.

also i see your edit, ye i mentioned it only yesterday how the EU was buying alot of it (and not Africa as you rightly allude).

This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 18 2023 05:55am
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