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Jul 17 2023 02:40am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 16 2023 07:28pm)
That's dumb because words matter. The axis powers were Nazi Germany, Imperialistic Japan and Fascist Italy (amongst other smaller ones). Japan was not Nazi, that's a misunderstanding of terms, the nukes played literally no role in the defeat of Nazis. The word Nazi actually comes from Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte.


I am not dwelling on the point, ultimately he supported his argument with an image. most people (including me) would agree with what you have outlined, but in the ring of public debate his image supported his comments.
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Jul 17 2023 04:00am

Russia has said that it has halted participation in a landmark UN-brokered deal which allowed Ukrainian grain to be exported through the Black Sea, just hours after Moscow said Ukraine had attacked the Crimean Bridge.

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As commented previously, this was ever going to happen. They agreed to it in the first place on conditions, those conditions were not met, ergo here we are. We can expect public outcry etc. on this point for a little while.
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Jul 17 2023 04:12am
Cow dung croissants ;)
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https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1680665182085824512/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1680665182085824512&currentTweetUser=djuric_zlatko

This is bad. Arestovich is proposing ceding of 20% of Ukrainian territory for the permission to join Nato West and East Germany style. For people who don't know who he is:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksii_Arestovych

The plan is unreasonable to say the least but it gives us an insight how dire the situation in Ukraine might be as of now. He is former presidential advisor, he certainly has got more insider info than the average Joe.


This guy is not new to this topic. Here is a snippet of the 2019 video interview (posted several times now).



Understand that if he is talking about ceding land, the idea is to get a truce, build up the army, and do then another war.

also last we heard of him (this is from wiki):

On 14 January 2023, Arestovych made an erroneous comment that a Russian Kh-22 missile had destroyed a multi-story residential building in Dnipro after being hit by a Ukrainian air defense counterattack.[44][45] On 16 January 2023 Russian President Vladimir Putin's press secretary Dmitry Peskov said Arestovych's 14 January explanation about what happened in Dnipro was plausible and put the blame for the destruction on the Ukrainian side. Following the outrage regarding Arestovich's comments, he apologized and resigned on 17 January 2023.[46][1][44]

This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 17 2023 04:58am
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Oleksiy "Lucy" Arestovich



This post was edited by Norlander on Jul 17 2023 04:59am
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thats a man right ?
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thats a man right ?


A man of valor
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This guy is not new to this topic. Here is a snippet of the 2019 video interview (posted several times now).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwcwGSFPqIo

nderstand that if he is talking about ceding land, the idea is to get a truce, build up the army, and do then another war.

also last we heard of him (this is from wiki):

On 14 January 2023, Arestovych made an erroneous comment that a Russian Kh-22 missile had destroyed a multi-story residential building in Dnipro after being hit by a Ukrainian air defense counterattack.[44][45] On 16 January 2023 Russian President Vladimir Putin's press secretary Dmitry Peskov said Arestovych's 14 January explanation about what happened in Dnipro was plausible and put the blame for the destruction on the Ukrainian side. Following the outrage regarding Arestovich's comments, he apologized and resigned on 17 January 2023.[46][1][44]

Russia isn't going to comply, not after Minsk II. He was one of the people who orchestrated this way + defense and thought Russia would pull out. I think Putin really means what he says about the demiliterization of Ukraine. There isn't going to be any peace agreement with the current Kiev regime. Putin has to die or there has to be a coup in Russia for them to agree to anything else.

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Jul 17 2023 05:31am
So car portion of Kerch bridge has been hit and collapsed. Also seeing chatter that the grain deal is ending.
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So car portion of Kerch bridge has been hit and collapsed. Also seeing chatter that the grain deal is ending.


Russia has been very plain spoken with regards to the grain deal. they mean what they say and this is confusing the west (because the west never means what it says).
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