Oh yeah small mistake and let's forget about that weird "figure out the cold war" thing that you attached to this.

By the way

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=649067822#p649067822





You really believe these numbers? Why don't you start explaining why the Ukrainian army and Ukrainian government are still keeping all of their losses secret? Meaning that "visual confirmed losses" doesn't mean anything when Ukrainian soldiers can get arrested and punished for sharing the losses.

Can you figure it out?

This post was edited by Djunior on Jul 16 2023 12:07pm

That's dumb because words matter. The axis powers were Nazi Germany, Imperialistic Japan and Fascist Italy (amongst other smaller ones). Japan was not Nazi, that's a misunderstanding of terms, the nukes played literally no role in the defeat of Nazis. The word Nazi actually comes from Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jul 16 2023 12:29pm

Oryx only reports only visually confirmed losses. Nothing to compare with the fucked-up pro-russian or anti-west sources you are constantly posting here.

Your annecdotes are irrelevant and not worth my time. If annecdotes are the best you've got to defend the most hypocritical and violent government power in human history which has interfered in every single nation on the planet's internal politics then you might as well just give up.



Actually the Nazi's didn't kill anywhere near as many people as the American's have so cleary you're wrong. Granted the US has had around 300 years while the Nazi's didn't even have 20 but then again the Nazi's never had an empire they were stopped in their tracks. So altogether a useless attempt at justifying American aggression.

yeah, some sack of "people"are pretty much focusing on this detail instead of facing the global picture.

Finally, circle-jerking non-stop on U.S 70 years ago or whatever related anti-West excuse is only ending as a proof of a lack of arguments.

Constantly bitching on the West will not hide things like Holomordor, Gulag, or Laogai. And today; Russian degenerate regime invading a democratic country moving toward Eu.

So you're posting "visually confirmed losses" to make a point while literally every person that posts here knows that Ukraine is keeping their losses secret.

Brilliant

Dude you were flat out wrong about the first nukes and then you attached some weird "figure out the cold war" comment that didn't make any sense.


People are interested in facts not in your trash propaganda like sources that only mention "visually confirmed losses" when Ukrainian losses are secret, lol

It was a country being pulled by both Russia and NATO interests and yet the pre-maidan elections and government were recognized as legitimate and democratic by both the US and Russia. As opposed to only the US recognizing the post-Maidan government and only Russia recognizing the separatist referendums, and the obviously undemocratic overthrow of the government and disenfranchisement of half the country by force. Now that's not to say Ukraine had some stable and well established democracy, the elections just prior to that were thrown out as illegitimate, but its pretty undeniable that the US and Russia agreed Ukraine had a legitimate democracy before the US helped overthrow that legitimate democracy.



Even if we don't trust the results of the referendums its just a natural product of them being ethnic Russians steeped in Russian language and culture and history, who had been fighting a civil war since 2014 at that point.
There's no reason to doubt the overwhelming support for the separatism / annexation, its not like ethnic Ukrainians being dragged along were in the majorit.




I'd probably draw a distinction between ultra-nationalist in general, and Nazi in specific. All the reporting on extremism showed the rise of Nazism among those then-middle-now-east regions, including the election of Bandera-istas. And besides the Azov Battalion existing around the Azov sea and being overt about its Nazi ideology, the fact that we're over 500 days into this conflict and even with the Azovs whittled down or outright destroyed, we're still seeing war footage posted to social media with Nazi tattoos and insignias painted on vehicles (while committing war crimes, of course). Yet I don't see any of that in the relative peace of Kiev or Lviv or whereever far from the front. So I can say that it was mostly in the east, but also that its still clearly in force and not erased by any NATO machinations to tamp down on it for PR or whatever. Actual Nazis still post their war footage online proudly, its not Russians framing them.




I look at it as the simple product. If fighting was stopped 6 months ago, and fighting stops 6 months from now, and the results would be the same in either case, then one whole year of a war accomplished nothing for either side. Just a whole lot more people dead, more cities razed, more land mines being a hazard for decades to come. Over the past few weeks we've been hearing how Ukraine went on a supposed counteroffensive, and then how Ukraine is now 'probing' attacks to find weaknesses, and all the war footage just reflects an entrenched battle with advances made impossible by land mines, artillery and drones. And now the media line has become more of a 'Ukraine isn't breaking through but thats okay because...'
And its sure clear Russia isn't advancing either and hasn't been since Bakhmut and doesn't plan to either

American aggression contributed a lot to stopping the Nazis and thus prevented even more killings, as you yourself agree that the rate at which the Nazis caused death is greater than that of the US

America did almost nothing in WW2 your country is delusional. You helped sure, but you were not the reason the Nazi's or their allies were defeated. The UK, Australia, Canada, France (the people not so much the nation), and Russia were the primary powers that are responsible for the allied victory. You come after all of them.