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Apr 3 2022 01:06pm

It is truly hilarious to be criticized by people who know nothing about the war in Ukraine or how it's going other than the propaganda they read from places like CNN, WaPo, the New York Times, and which is all you're really allowed to see on social media like reddit and facebook thanks to the truly staggering amount of modern day censorship being forced on society at this time.

It's simply not possible to get accurate military updates regarding Ukraine without going to specific high-value twitter accounts (that often end up censored) or independent bloggers like The Saker.

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Apr 3 2022 01:06pm

Quote (ofthevoid @ 3 Apr 2022 20:39)

A bunch of dead males on the front? Idk to me that's the logical conclusion no? The dead are probably a mix of Ukrainian soldiers and conscripted men.

Or what's the alternative to believe here? It was a bunch of Ukrainian males who didn't flee the Russian onslaught and Russians captured them, tied them up and put bullets in their head just for the hell of it?

imagine being so intellectually bamboozled that you end up making excuses and rationalisations for actual war crimes. tds really ruined you, mate...

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Apr 3 2022 01:07pm

Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 3 2022 06:39pm)

They could just be civilians that didn't make it out in time. Remember, these villages were captured within days of the invasion

We know that Russian troops were paranoid about civilians relaying their positions to the Ukrainian military, and some civilians did just that, so they may have taken the 'safe' option and just killed them. It's one less thing to worry about from their perspective

Unfortunately, the treatment of Russian POWs is probably going to deteriorate as a result of this

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Apr 3 2022 01:07pm

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 3 2022 02:03pm)

Apparently a bunch of Germans (~5,000 according to reports) rallied in support of Russia:

https://twitter.com/OB_Ages/status/1510613121727148036?cxt=HHwWiMC5ma6o4_YpAAAA

Glad to see that not every European is totally brainwashed.

Useful idiots on parade. Komrade Lenin would be proud.

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Apr 3 2022 01:08pm

Oh, and telegram.

By far the best info you can get comes directly from a handful of telegram accounts, whom are themselves in direct contact with people on the front-line. News of individual battles and the outcome are uploaded there faster than anywhere else.

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Apr 3 2022 01:09pm

Quote (Santara @ Apr 3 2022 01:07pm)

Useful idiots on parade. Komrade Lenin would be proud.

Ah yes, how dare they reject the mainstream propaganda and massive lie-filled hate campaign being waged against Russia, which is set to take their economy back to the stone age.

How dare they!

And you call others 'fascist'.

LOL

This post was edited by chopstickz777 on Apr 3 2022 01:09pm

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Apr 3 2022 01:10pm

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 3 2022 06:58pm)

I'm talking to somebody who doesn't know the first thing about military tactics, so I know this is a waste of time, but here goes.

Russia never intended for the force they sent near Kiev to actually take the city. First of all, their numbers weren't high enough and secondly, they were not equipped for it.

What these forces were intended for was to tie up all the Ukrainian troops stationed near Kiev and force them to stay there in defense of the city as they were anticipating an attack. The effect this had was to prevent these tied up Ukrainian soldiers from re-inforcing other fronts (specifically the Donbass.)

From that perspective, the operation was a success. While all those Ukrainian soldiers were pinned down in various hotspots, Russian forces took control of the city of Izyum and have successfully locked a cauldron with some 60-80 thousand Ukrainian soldiers near Donetsk that are now totally encircled and without resupply.

From a political perspective, the Kiev operation may have been intended to put pressure on Zelensky and pals. But since Ze is a puppet who takes orders from Biden, this did not work. From the political perspective, this could be considered a minor, but not serious, failure.

What will happen next is a massive battle in Donbass which all the Russian forces are now focused on and some 60-80 thousand Ukrainian soldiers are highly likely to be completely eliminated, or surrendered.

I've never proclaimed to be an expert in military tactics, but by fully retreating and not holding defensive positions around Kyiv and Chernihiv, Ukraine can just send troops to reinforce the JFO

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Apr 3 2022 01:18pm

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 3 2022 02:09pm)

It's amazing what you can post unironically.

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Apr 3 2022 01:19pm

Quote (fender @ Apr 3 2022 03:06pm)

imagine being so intellectually bamboozled that you end up making excuses and rationalisations for actual war crimes. tds really ruined you, mate...

Where did I defend this dawg? Even if they were soldiers and/or civilians who were fighting the Russians they don't deserve the fate of a bullet to the back of the head.

Quote (dro94 @ Apr 3 2022 03:07pm)

I don't know the full details and all of details that are coming out are from Ukrainian sources but it seems most of the victims are men. If what you say is true that they were simply civilians who failed to escape in time, then it makes little sense that it would be only men left in the villages? Women & kids somehow escaped in time but the men didn't, idk doesn't add up to me.

To me the most believable scenario here is these were Ukrainians who were fighting the Russians, probably got captured, and when the Russians decided to pull back from the Kiev flank, instead of leaving a bunch of POW's who most likely might pick up arms against them again, they just killed them in cold blood. What's the alternative, you either let them free and they continue to fight or haul them back to Russia?

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Apr 3 2022 01:20pm

Quote (dro94 @ Apr 3 2022 01:10pm)

I've never proclaimed to be an expert in military tactics, but by fully retreating and not holding defensive positions around Kyiv and Chernihiv, Ukraine can just send troops to reinforce the JFO

The key point is that they cannot reinforce either the troops that are getting wiped out as we speak in Mariupol nor can they reinforce the massive Donbass battalion soldiers that are already encircled near the city of Donetsk.

They can reinforce other areas, but they cannot reinforce the areas where their troops are getting wiped out and where reinforcements are most badly needed, because it is already too late for them.

Russia is fighting their battles WW2-style, slowly and calmly partitioning parts of the enemy, picking off pieces of their military one by one, to be eventually encircled and destroyed, or forced to surrender.

There are some 60-80 thousand Ukrainian soldiers that are already screwed, about to be wiped out and which the Ukrainian army is as of now completely incapable of supporting beyond sending in a few civilian cars worth of material at a time, which have the highest chance of not being shot at during the way in. But this is not enough to support such a large force.

Destroying this hostile grouping will ensure the absolute safety of Donetsk and Luhansk, which is one of the main goals of the Russian operation. After that, it's anybody's guess what will happen.

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