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Jul 14 2023 07:08pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 14 2023 10:06pm)
But you could decapitate leadership. I'll admit that I didn't believe they'd invade until they literally did because it made no fucking sense. They didn't have the adequate resources.


Washington is extremely far away from Kiev though
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Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 14 2023 09:06pm)
But you could decapitate leadership. I'll admit that I didn't believe they'd invade until they literally did because it made no fucking sense. They didn't have the adequate resources.


I suppose but it's not as if they were sending black ops hit squads to get rid of a bunch of leaders. They basically mostly surrounded a city with a thin layer that was extremely vulnerable with no real plan for a long term siege, no established supply routes, exposed flanks, etc. It was a head fake, and once they realized Ukraine's internal powers aren't folding under the threat that ~100k or so became extremely vulnerable and exposed, so they basically pulled back.

Ukraine early on actually had the number superiority in prepared troops. That's why they were able to blitz through north and east of Kharkiv. It was a Russian miscalculation which afterward they pivoted into a more long-term grind type war which we've seen for the last 6-8 months or so.

As a side note, I think NATO training Ukrainians has generally been less than fruitful. NATO units aren't built nor do they have experience in fighting wars with enemies that are equal or greater.

Look at most of the NATO conflicts (or member NATO states) in the last 20 years. In every single one they have the overwhelming superiority. 9/10 of these wars you had strafe runs soften targets or constant air superiority or you are simply fighting people with small arms/small scale explosives. They really were not prepared for the WW2-esque grindy war that Russia pivoted into. I think to a certain extent there is a certain concern in NATO right now with how well the Russians responded and how well they are able to defend even against a backdrop of tens of billions in aid flowing monthly and western experts training Ukrainians. I don't think tens of thousands of NATO troops are heading east because they are impressed with Ukraine's abilities currently.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jul 14 2023 09:23pm
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Jul 14 2023 09:53pm
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Jul 15 2023 12:35am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Jul 14 2023 01:15pm)
ukranian nazis killing civilians?

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1679802361546514432?t=lg-R-ogYB1KNenuZ92_A0Q&s=19



the horror is 100% real, look at that poor dude


Isn't it inconvenient how they always have Nazi symbols plastered on them
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Jul 15 2023 12:57am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 15 2023 07:35am)
Isn't it inconvenient how they always have Nazi symbols plastered on them


*waves his hand* there are no nazi symbols.
*waves his hand* you dont need to see these symbols.
*waves his hand* you can go about your business.

The propaganda can have a strong force on the weak minded, i think we can agree on that.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 15 2023 12:58am
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Jul 15 2023 01:24am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Jul 14 2023 02:10am)
Wow alot of interesting stuff here, watched the video. Good news for Ukraine and bad news for Russia ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XrUnCF1Sbw


Quote (Meanwhile @ Jul 15 2023 05:53am)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XrUnCF1Sbw


You've now posted that video twice and no one replied because no one cares. Every tank can be destroyed, Western tanks were destroyed, Leopard 2 was destroyed.

Perhaps you should start talking about the Ukrainian counteroffensive again, you couldn't wait for it to start and you were posting about it for 6 months strait.

Stick to the facts, look at the map, go ;)
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Jul 15 2023 01:29am
Quote (Djunior @ Jul 15 2023 08:24am)
You've now posted that video twice and no one replied because no one cares. Every tank can be destroyed, Western tanks were destroyed, Leopard 2 was destroyed.

Perhaps you should start talking about the Ukrainian counteroffensive again, you couldn't wait for it to start and you were posting about it for 6 months strait.

Stick to the facts, look at the map, go ;)


Its curious that no one in western media is asking why Russia is not advancing on the entire country. The narrative is all about how Ukraine first, Poland next, and yet Russia is not moving across the country. Inconvenient facts like this are ignored.



This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 15 2023 01:51am
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Jul 15 2023 02:11am
Quote (Djunior @ 15 Jul 2023 09:24)
You've now posted that video twice and no one replied because no one cares. Every tank can be destroyed, Western tanks were destroyed, Leopard 2 was destroyed.

Perhaps you should start talking about the Ukrainian counteroffensive again, you couldn't wait for it to start and you were posting about it for 6 months strait.

Stick to the facts, look at the map, go ;)


Maybe stop raging and moaning afte me like a little girl and explain us how Russia "crushed" Ukraine in #3 months ?
Also maybe link us some more Douglas MacGregor videos, need some fun, rofl.

Quote (ferdia @ 15 Jul 2023 09:29)
Its curious that no one in western media is asking why Russia is not advancing on the entire country. The narrative is all about how Ukraine first, Poland next, and yet Russia is not moving across the country. Inconvenient facts like this are ignored.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QruUZXvTFa8


Situation is pretty clear: Russia cannot afford to advance anymore since a while already and is hidding behing tons of mines while losing men & material each day.
Now the question is how long before its front or its regime fall ? No one will read an article saying "but oh Russia is not advancing on the entire country anymore?" Jesus.
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Jul 15 2023 02:28am
Quote (Meanwhile @ 15 Jul 2023 04:11)
Maybe stop raging and moaning afte me like a little girl and explain us how Russia "crushed" Ukraine in #3 months ?
Also maybe link us some more Douglas MacGregor videos, need some fun, rofl.



Situation is pretty clear: Russia cannot afford to advance anymore since a while already and is hidding behing tons of mines while losing men & material each day.
Now the question is how long before its front or its regime fall ? No one will read an article saying "but oh Russia is not advancing on the entire country anymore?" Jesus.


Lol your delusions are god tier. Russia is successfully engaged in multiple theatres in multiple countries, there's 0 chance of them losing. They're having a great time draining NATO dry though.
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Jul 15 2023 02:39am
Quote (Vastet @ Jul 15 2023 09:28am)
Lol your delusions are god tier. Russia is successfully engaged in multiple theatres in multiple countries, there's 0 chance of them losing. They're having a great time draining NATO dry though.


To be clear all that is happening there is that Nato is getting rid of its outdated stockpiles, and replacing them with new advanced technologies.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 15 2023 02:39am
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