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Jul 12 2023 09:46am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jul 12 2023 04:41pm)
Are you high lmao


i will try this one more time.

to my mind he is outlining that Ukraine went on a dangerous adventure and most of them are not coming back from it.
whether the war spirals into something else, i.e. If Nato joins and things escalate to a global war, is a separate conversation.
There is a presumption here that the US will know when to stop (I accept that this is a very dangerous presumption).
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Jul 12 2023 09:59am
Germany declared war on the US because the US supplied and helped the UK.

To think that we aren’t at risk of being pushed into full scale war with potential nukes being used just because we don’t have boots on the ground is dumb as we are sending hundreds of billions in hardware, providing intelligence, fuel, etc. Of course it’s a risk and why most of us are against this war.

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Jul 12 2023 09:59am
Quote (ferdia @ Jul 12 2023 12:46pm)
i will try this one more time.

to my mind he is outlining that Ukraine went on a dangerous adventure and most of them are not coming back from it.
whether the war spirals into something else, i.e. If Nato joins and things escalate to a global war, is a separate conversation.
There is a presumption here that the US will know when to stop (I accept that this is a very dangerous presumption).


To my mind he doesn't know what he is talking about and doesn't understand the words he is using in his attempt, I know what he is trying to say, it is just extremely stupid so thank you for the translation but it isn't necessary.
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Jul 12 2023 10:05am
If west respect their commitment, the end of War is a must to enter NATO .
That mean russia Can continue until zelensky give what russia wanted . But zelensky dont want to loose his face . . .
So ,western country will give massive help once again with our money and weapon.
Meanwhile, Biden protest against weapon on his country 😂
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Jul 12 2023 11:00am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 12 2023 10:59am)
Germany declared war on the US because the US supplied and helped the UK.

To think that we aren’t at risk of being pushed into full scale war with potential nukes being used just because we don’t have boots on the ground is dumb as we are sending hundreds of billions in hardware, providing intelligence, fuel, etc. Of course it’s a risk and why most of us are against this war.


Both Germany and Japan's declarations of war against the US came after we consciously maneuvered them into positions where they had no choice but to declare war on us, because we were so active in trying to oppose their war effort strategically. All while at home the politicians who knew they were getting us into the war, proudly campaigned on a message that they would not get us into the war. I think we both know the most obvious example of that.

Even if we're still a ways off from a risk of an actual world war 3 escalation, that risk absolutely exists and could flare up out of a major incident like a nuclear escalation, and even if it doesn't, we've completely destabilized the world and ended any notion of pax americana, undermined our petrodollar hegemony and aligned a lot of the world against us. All the cost none of the benefit. We're not stopping herr hitler from rampaging across Europe, Russia poses no threat of expanding its sphere of influence beyond the sphere we just stole from it by force, yet we're willing to jeopardize our entire empire to bleed them. Unsuccessfully.
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Jul 12 2023 11:13am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Jul 12 2023 05:18pm)
Isolated photo where Zelensky's wife is discussing with another woman and taking whole conclusions over it.

This fail is real: please do not call me out with your bullshit.


Correction --> Zelensky failed

About NATO's decision to NOT present a timeline:

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Jul 12 2023 11:17am
Quote (Santara @ Jul 12 2023 05:06pm)
We aren't taking risks, Ukraine is.


Clearly -_-

No NATO timeline for Ukraine

Here's a bunch of javelins and such, go kill as many Russians as you can please, we'll cheer you on

Gogo Ukraine :banana:

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Jul 12 2023 11:35am
Russia has certainly fueled NATO expansion. Sweden, and eventually Ukraine.
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Jul 12 2023 11:44am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 12 2023 06:00pm)
...Even if we're still a ways off from a risk of an actual world war 3 escalation, that risk absolutely exists and could flare up out of a major incident like a nuclear escalation, and even if it doesn't, we've completely destabilized the world and ended any notion of pax americana, undermined our petrodollar hegemony and aligned a lot of the world against us. All the cost none of the benefit. We're not stopping herr hitler from rampaging across Europe, Russia poses no threat of expanding its sphere of influence beyond the sphere we just stole from it by force, yet we're willing to jeopardize our entire empire to bleed them. Unsuccessfully.


pretty much sums it up.

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Jul 12 2023 11:48am
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jul 12 2023 01:35pm)
Russia has certainly fueled NATO expansion. Sweden, and eventually Ukraine.


Sweden/Finland were basically nato already just not officially. I don’t think you know much about this conflict if you automatically assume Ukraine will get into NATO. I think I’d take the other side of that bet knowing all I know.
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