"This time is diffffffereeeeeennttttt!"

Battle cry of the ignorant.

I wouldn't have such a hard time supporting that same goverment's involvement had they not been aware of the very likely outcome of the whole ordeal years before the war broke out. And you are going to have an even harder time convincing me the later was out of their good will for the people of ukraine.

You can still support and defend the fight for a free ukraine and be against the actors involved.

If you look back over alot of Santara's posts you will see that he is very moderate, with a balanced viewpoint. I dont have a hang up on 3rd world, its more the idea of labeling groups of people.



this was well said.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 11 2023 05:18pm

Lol yeah I don't share that opinion at all sorry, I really don't care how moderate someone is if they in anyway support the US being involved in this, I hope literally every person rooting for this war gets drafted and sent to the front line to experience what they have allowed to happen.

Drafted because they are all too fucking scared to go there without being forced.

lol

Ukraine is symbolically part of the Western alliance and Russia is a pariah state. These are facts right now.

Only to delusional Westerners who haven't noticed most of the world is ignoring Western bullshit lol

Inner threat

I cant think of any other (credible) reason.

from the BBC:

Ukraine's hopes to join Nato dominated the conversation at the summit yesterday.

And with a joint press conference between President Volodymyr Zelensky and the head of Nato later, we can expect much of the same.

Here’s a round-up of the key moments from Tuesday:

President Zelensky issued an impassioned statement over what he sees as "absurd" delays to Kyiv being invited to join the alliance
Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg said Ukraine will join Nato when allies agree and conditions are met
He also announced Nato was changing Kyiv’s pathway to join from a two-step process to a one-step process
A Nato-Ukraine council was formed which will see Kyiv and alliance members meet “as equals”, he said
France announced it would supply Ukraine with long-range missiles
The UK PM also "commended" Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan after he dropped his veto against Sweden joining Nato
Turkey and Sweden news ~

What made Turkey change heart on Sweden?

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had not been very keen to accept Sweden’s Nato membership bid - but that changed late last night. Erdogan had cited several reservations, including Sweden’s alleged help to “terror groups”, a limitation on arms sale to Turkey, and a need to improve defence cooperation. A high-level Turkish diplomatic source tells me the movement on defence cooperation came from the US.

Erdogan and Biden had a phone call on Sunday, alongside three calls between the countries' foreign ministers in the last few days. The source said top of the agenda was the sale of F-16s, an American fighter jet that Turkey requested to buy and modernise the existing ones back in 2021. They also said that "the US wanted to solve the issue over Sweden’s Nato membership". The modernisation kits were approved by the Biden administration right after Turkey approved Finland’s application to Nato in April. Now Turkey is awaiting for 40 new F-16s from the US.

Sweden made some promises, too:

The embargo on arms sale to Turkey will be lifted. Sweden promised to support Turkish citizens’ long-awaited request for visa-free travel in Schengen countries, a privilege given to most of the candidate countries. Only last week, a person who was found guilty of giving financial support to the PKK, a pro-Kurdish armed group that Turkey considers as a terror group, was given a prison sentence

This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 12 2023 02:37am

About Turkey, in Sweden, Kurdish separatists were financing terror acts on Turkish territory. Sweden tolerated them as "freedom fighters" the way the US does. Point is no one is descriminating against Kurds in Turkey or suppressing them anyhow. It was wrong from Sweden to do so. Lately, they made a crackdown and delivered a terrorist to Turkey. That might have been the incentive.

Also interesting:
https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/6539092
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230706-nato-applicant-sweden-jails-kurdish-man-for-attempting-to-finance-pkk-militants

The terrorist organization is called PKK:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers'_Party



This post was edited by babun1024 on Jul 12 2023 03:13am