see Hitler's response to Pearl Harbor. the second he heard he knew the war was lost, but also knew they couldn't surrender.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jul 11 2023 02:18pm

It has more to do with psychology than reality.

Constantly presenting Russia as weak and on the verge of collapse primes the person to believe that 'just a little more' support and we (the west) will win. It's an easier pill to swallow for people than being honest and saying, hey we will need to ramp up artillery production significantly and have to spend over 100Bn a year for years to come. Wars are always sold as quick easy wins and we'll be out. I mean who expected us to stay in Afghanistan for 20 years?

That's why for over a year we've heard that Russia is finally about to run out of weapons, instead they literally turned their war-machine on and is outproducing a collective of 20+countries.

People forget that the Russian war machine literally overwhelmed Germany in WW2. It's something we in the west tend to minimize, but battle of Stalingrad then afterwards Kursk is the straw that broke the camels back.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jul 11 2023 02:27pm

come on! russia had some solid wins, and their late war machine was solid compared to the start, but Germany suicided into them because they had little other choices.

also, lets not forget out of balance war effort allocation is the reason its russia, and not the USSR (among other factors).

i'm not in the "russia is almost finished" camp, but forcing them into a lengthy war effort is a solid tactic for collapse.

What do you mean by success? Why does the cost matter if the value of your dollar is tied to US hegemony?

Afghanistan slowed down Chinas belt and road initiative and Iraq slowed down dedollarization, both are fundamental in the US retaining global supremacy. I believe the US is still extracting oil from Syria are they not? Didn't they just make a new base or something?

And Ukraine is extremely successful for the US in ways as well, they have cut Europe off from Russian gas and replaced it with their own, they are drawing the battle lines for an eventual conflict with China and also dumping all their old cold war garbage into Ukraine so they can fleece their own populations for more money to replenish their stocks with modern weaponry.

It being successful or not is not my issue with it lol

Maybe? But from where I'm sitting Russia's collapse means very little at the cost of 6 figures dead (eventually maybe 7 figures) and hundreds of billions. I also don't see their collapse coming anytime soon. Something like what we've seen with Wagner would of been ideal so they just become internally focused. But now unless we start bombing their wealth of factories in the Russian heartland, how exactly are they going to collapse?

I mean I think Iran is a good example. Iran was deeply isolated economically and ultimately we failed to really contain their influence. What's the catalyst for Russia to say okay we give up and now and are going home?

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jul 11 2023 02:39pm

If anything, to my mind, it is a case of, "we will never forget or forgive this, and we will redouble our efforts". To my mind the West is simply refusing to face the reality that Russia sees this war as do or die.

Russian leaders, the Russian people are another matter.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 11 2023 02:40pm

They can outproduce the West in the ammunition type their army needs to succeed, whereas the West outproduces them in the systems we need to succeed. None of this is surprising to anyone.

Succeed at blowing up third world shitholes with no modern militaries lol, truly the masters of war.

Funny hearing the stories about burgerstanis running away from Ukraine because the concept of the enemy shooting back scared them so badly.

IKR

When D-day finally happened the Germans had been battling the USSR for 3 years solid and this had swallowed up millions of man and insane amounts of all types of equipment. If all of that had been sitting in occupied France at the time the allies would've been pushed back into the English Channel guaranteed.




Russia is rich in natural resources, they evade the sanctions helped by countries that don't sympathize with the West or simply prefer to do business instead of crippling trade.

Russia's industrial military complex cannot be bombed for obvious reasons and the regime doesn't really care, they will keep eating caviar while the ordinary people get put to work in the factories.

"Solid tactic for collapse" is in fact a huge miscalculation.




You know what I meant...

One year ago Russia was called a gas station, they were running out of missiles, the sanctions were going to cripple them in a couple months because they were cut from SWIFT, and so on

A huge miscalculation

The following is a list I pulled from the internet of "third world countries":

China
Ukraine
Pakistan

I invite any global power to blow up these countries and let us know how they get on.