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Sep 23 2020 04:14pm
also rip to road warrior animal, an irondale graduate
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Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 23 2020 06:05pm)
I specifically said the WARRANT was no-knock, not the raid itself. I have questions about why the police, in possession of a warrant that allowed for no-knock entry, would knock, but not announce that they were police (if Walker's claim is true that he didn't hear any verbal announcement that it was police at the door). It seems like a risk to the safety of the officers involved in the raid, if they knocked without announcing, when they legally didn't have to knock or announce, according to the warrant.


I do not contest the idea that the warrant authorized a no knock raid.

They knocked.
Its not contested by either party involved.

I don't know whether they also announced or not and I won't take walker's word for it.
It would make sense for them to announce when they pounded. He may not have heard it. That seems plausible.
1 neighbor stating they heard them announce is significant. I would not expect every neighbor on the block to hear what started off the altercation.

Your brother made several objectively false statements in defense of his new pro-riot leftism.
Its ok to admit he was wrong and correct the record.
it wasn't a no knock raid and it wasn't the wrong house.
Her name was on the warrant.
She had close connections to hard drug traffickers.

But this is getting into the weeds and aside from my original point.
I'm sure there are plenty of cases where police officers acted improperly.
Even a fully validated case of police brutality or murder doesn't excuse rioting and doesn't mean we should aid leftists in victimizing innocent people and disrupting society in the pursuit of an anti-capitalist agenda.

The reality that so many facts were botched and misrepresented supports my position that this rioting doesn't hinge on a careful analysis of facts and justice and sensible reform.

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I do not contest the idea that the warrant authorized a no knock raid.

They knocked.
Its not contested by either party involved.

I don't know whether they also announced or not and I won't take walker's word for it.
It would make sense for them to announce when they pounded. He may not have heard it. That seems plausible.
1 neighbor stating they heard them announce is significant. I would not expect every neighbor on the block to hear what started off the altercation.

Your brother made several objectively false statements in defense of his new pro-riot leftism.
Its ok to admit he was wrong and correct the record.
it wasn't a no knock raid and it wasn't the wrong house.
Her name was on the warrant.
She had close connections to hard drug traffickers.

But this is getting into the weeds and aside from my original point.
I'm sure there are plenty of cases where police officers acted improperly.
Even a fully validated case of police brutality or murder doesn't excuse rioting and doesn't mean we should aid leftists in victimizing innocent people and disrupting society in the pursuit of an anti-capitalist agenda.

The reality that so many facts were botched and misrepresented supports my position that this rioting doesn't hinge on a careful analysis of facts and justice and sensible reform.


Don't you think the officers lose a lot of credibility due to the fact that they blatantly lied on the report? They claimed that there were no injuries and that they did not force entry.
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Don't you think the officers lose a lot of credibility due to the fact that they blatantly lied on the report? They claimed that there were no injuries and that they did not force entry.


I certainly don't trust the police involved either and I will clarify that I am not claiming that I think they did nothing wrong.
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Sep 23 2020 04:47pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 23 2020 03:44pm)
I certainly don't trust the police involved either and I will clarify that I am not claiming that I think they did nothing wrong.


At this point, I think the state of Kentucky or the DOJ need to get involved to iron everything out. I agree with you that the people rioting aren't the most educated about the issues but I'm not sure what can be done about that besides arresting them if they commit crimes.
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Sep 23 2020 04:56pm
Quote (thundercock @ 23 Sep 2020 18:47)
At this point, I think the state of Kentucky or the DOJ need to get involved to iron everything out. I agree with you that the people rioting aren't the most educated about the issues but I'm not sure what can be done about that besides arresting them if they commit crimes.

you really want that right now?
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 23 2020 05:44pm)
https://i.imgur.com/GlGcio2.png

Pictured: Antifa communists demanding 'Abolition NOW' drove in ahead of time to protest and riot after the Breonna Taylor decision.

Correction: I've been informed by the Snipa/thor79/Oliver/Santara commission on social justice that these are concerned citizens advocating mild reforms and justice and if you are a true libertarian you must support them in their mostly peaceful rioting tonight. No justice, No peace, Fuck these racist ass police (even the black AG)


Update:

There is video of a U-HAUL truck containing these antifa banners, signs and a number of shields being handed out.

It was rented out under the name of Holly Zoller of 'The Bail Project'.
According to reports and their site some of the board members of that organization are Soros fellows.

They claim to have bailed out over 12,000 criminals so far.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/u-haul-seen-distributing-shields-weapons-louisville-rioters-rented-holly-zoller-louisville-bail-project/



This post was edited by cambovenzi on Sep 23 2020 05:17pm
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Update:

There is video of a U-HAUL truck containing these antifa banners, signs and a number of shields being handed out.

It was rented out under the name of Holly Zoller of 'The Bail Project'.
According to reports and their site some of the board members of that organization are Soros fellows.

They claim to have bailed out over 12,000 criminals so far.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/u-haul-seen-distributing-shields-weapons-louisville-rioters-rented-holly-zoller-louisville-bail-project/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_pgpfOpx6o



https://bailproject.org/team/holly-zoller

lol the hacker known as 4chan solved this one in no time flat huh

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Quote (thundercock @ Sep 23 2020 03:45pm)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariame_Kaba

I'm sure it's a spectrum. Regardless, it's an idiotic slogan but I'd expect nothing less from liberals.


Zero argument here
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 23 2020 03:58pm)
Wholly irrelevant to whether or not rioting and victimizing innocent people is justified and good. (or in accordance with libertarian principles)

My position is not that the police never act wrongfully or that the police are held sufficiently accountable.

But sure lets check in on the Breonna Taylor case.
The police raid that ended in the death of Breonna Taylor wasn't actually a no knock raid.
It wasn't the wrong house.
The criminal boyfriend opening fire on police probably wasn't justified or legitimate self defense.


Like I said, the facts get buried.
Even you got several things about the case wrong several months after the case was made famous and pushed to the forefront.

Her death was the unfortunate result of a shootout with police.
I don't know what 'justice' for her looks like in that case.
That doesn't mean we should be supporting perpetual leftist riots and parroting their talking points and rhetoric.


None of those are facts, they're categorically false.

It was a no-knock warrant, and whether they knocked/announced (which is highly disputed), what isn't in dispute is forcible entry. The victim's boyfriend didn't go answer the door. Any reasonable person is going to take a breach as hostile.
It was the wrong house in the sense that she wasn't the actual target of the investigation AND they had bad/dated information AND they lied about the postal service corroborating their investigation.
Her actual boyfriend, the one who lived with her, is NOT a criminal, he had a license to carry.

Nothing justified a forced entry. Everything the police did, brought defensive gun use onto themselves. They should never have been there, ergo she deserves justice for her death.

I was going to type up a long series of allegories between the Founding Fathers and the Declaration of Independence with the modern plight of black America, but it turns out someone already did:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/texascollectionbaylor/8592759841

It's from 1970, and sad to say, but not too much has changed since then.

And I can't imagine you'd say the Founding Fathers weren't justified in seeking out our independence - by violent means, so tell me again how violence being used to right wrongs can't be compatible with libertarian philosophy.
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