Quote (Norlander @ Jul 10 2023 05:19pm)

Leave the philosophy to ferdia.
Fact 1:
"Legend states that three brothers, Kyi, Shchek and Khoryv, and their sister Lybid, founded the city. Kyiv thus takes its name from Kyi, the eldest brother. The exact century of the city's foundation has not been determined. Legend has it that Saint Andrew (d. AD 60/70) prophesied the emergence of a great city on the future location of Kyiv. He was allegedly fascinated by the spectacular location on the hilly shores of the Dnieper River."

I'd stop reading after "legend says", but you are the reader today, then you can read until St Andrew. And if you still did not believe in our Lord, then we will continue with the fact 2, if everything's kosher.
Fact 2:
The name of Ukraine likely comes from the old Slavic term for 'borderland', as does the word krajina.
Borderland of what? Khazar Khanate, Rus' Khanate? Velka Morava?
Wiki says that the history of Ukraine starts with the capture of Kyiv, funny. It must be Ukrainians to capture it but if there was no Ukraine who were them?
Fact 3:
If you buy something then you own it? Right? Google.Translate. Ukrainian to English.

https://uk.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Купівля_Києва

I may or may not share these views, but these are bare facts.

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The purchase of Kyiv is the payment by the Moscow kingdom of the Polish - Lithuanian Commonwealth of 146,000 rubles under the Polish-Moscow agreement as part of the "Eternal Peace" of 1686, as a result of which the Polish side officially recognized the seizure of Kyiv by Muscovy .

Quote (Norlander @ 11 Jul 2023 00:19)

Leave the philosophy to ferdia.
Fact 1:
"Legend states that three brothers, Kyi, Shchek and Khoryv, and their sister Lybid, founded the city. Kyiv thus takes its name from Kyi, the eldest brother. The exact century of the city's foundation has not been determined. Legend has it that Saint Andrew (d. AD 60/70) prophesied the emergence of a great city on the future location of Kyiv. He was allegedly fascinated by the spectacular location on the hilly shores of the Dnieper River."

I'd stop reading after "legend says", but you are the reader today, then you can read until St Andrew. And if you still did not believe in our Lord, then we will continue with the fact 2, if everything's kosher.
Fact 2:
The name of Ukraine likely comes from the old Slavic term for 'borderland', as does the word krajina.
Borderland of what? Khazar Khanate, Rus' Khanate? Velka Morava?
Wiki says that the history of Ukraine starts with the capture of Kyiv, funny. It must be Ukrainians to capture it but if there was no Ukraine who were them?
Fact 3:
If you buy something then you own it? Right? Google.Translate. Ukrainian to English.

https://uk.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Купівля_Києва

I may or may not share these views, but these are bare facts.

Quote (Norlander @ Jul 10 2023 09:25pm)

How dare you call Ukrainian history a local legend :)
And I have not yet mentioned about the site of ancient man in the area of Kyiv 20,000 years ago. People before places, you say? Paleo-nazi genociders of Neanderthals.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 11 Jul 2023 03:38)

My favorite part of history was when the British, French and Spanish liberated the America's from the indigenous occupation.

Quote (Malopox @ Jul 10 2023 05:19pm)

Is there a way to sort out by who’s posting? Hate reading through trash posting to get to 1 or 2 decent comments.

Quote (babun1024 @ Jul 11 2023 01:34am)

Dedollarization is now added by gold retrieval of central banks. More and more countries don't want their gold stored in fed or London.
Again, freezing assets have been the biggest own goal of this war so far. Reduction of future investment in the US/EU is also projected in near future because assets there can be frozen anytime whenever a country is deemed an enemy.