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Sep 23 2020 03:16pm
Quote (Santara @ Sep 23 2020 04:48pm)
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That's one person who is not able to influence the cities where this is a problem. Isn't it city council in the end that has control over the police?
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Sep 23 2020 03:28pm
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Wholly irrelevant to whether or not rioting and victimizing innocent people is justified and good. (or in accordance with libertarian principles)

My position is not that the police never act wrongfully or that the police are held sufficiently accountable.

But sure lets check in on the Breonna Taylor case.
The police raid that ended in the death of Breonna Taylor wasn't actually a no knock raid.
It wasn't the wrong house.
The criminal boyfriend opening fire on police probably wasn't justified or legitimate self defense.

Like I said, the facts get buried.
Even you got several things about the case wrong several months after the case was made famous and pushed to the forefront.

Her death was the unfortunate result of a shootout with police.
I don't know what 'justice' for her looks like in that case.
That doesn't mean we should be supporting perpetual leftist riots and parroting their talking points and rhetoric.


The warrant was a no-knock warrant. There's dispute about whether they actually announced before breach (one person out of twelve interviewed at that complex, and Walker didn't confirm any announcement, either). Body cam footage could easily confirm this. They dropped attempted murder charges on Walker after talking to him. And if the police had a no-knock warrant, why would they knock/announce?

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2020/06/10/breonna-taylor-louisville-detective-joshua-jaynes-no-knock-warrant-reassigned/5333604002/
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/05/20/breonna-taylor-shooting-lmpd-may-require-swat-serve-no-knock-warrants/5220354002/

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Sep 23 2020 03:44pm


Pictured: Antifa communists demanding 'Abolition NOW' drove in ahead of time to protest and riot after the Breonna Taylor decision.

Correction: I've been informed by the Snipa/thor79/Oliver/Santara commission on social justice that these are concerned citizens advocating mild reforms and justice and if you are a true libertarian you must support them in their mostly peaceful rioting tonight. No justice, No peace, Fuck these racist ass police (even the black AG)
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Sep 23 2020 03:52pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 23 2020 05:28pm)
The warrant was a no-knock warrant. There's dispute about whether they actually announced before breach (one person out of twelve interviewed at that complex, and Walker didn't confirm any announcement, either). Body cam footage could easily confirm this. They dropped attempted murder charges on Walker after talking to him. And if the police had a no-knock warrant, why would they knock/announce?

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2020/06/10/breonna-taylor-louisville-detective-joshua-jaynes-no-knock-warrant-reassigned/5333604002/
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/05/20/breonna-taylor-shooting-lmpd-may-require-swat-serve-no-knock-warrants/5220354002/


Walker himself claims they pounded on the door.

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Taylor's apartment was considered a "soft target" with minimal threats.

"They said they did not believe she had children or animals, but they weren't sure," Mattingly said. "Said she should be there alone because they knew where their target was."
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Sep 23 2020 03:56pm
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Walker himself claims they pounded on the door.


He says he heard pounding, but no announcement that they were police, which is why he thought it was a home invasion, and fired the warning shot that ended up hitting Mattingly.
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Sep 23 2020 04:00pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 23 2020 05:56pm)
He says he heard pounding, but no announcement that they were police, which is why he thought it was a home invasion, and fired the warning shot that ended up hitting Mattingly.


Yes he claimed that, but If there is no doubt on either side that there was knocking then it was not a no-knock raid.
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Sep 23 2020 04:01pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 23 2020 04:44pm)
https://i.imgur.com/GlGcio2.png

Pictured: Antifa communists demanding 'Abolition NOW' drove in ahead of time to protest and riot after the Breonna Taylor decision.

Correction: I've been informed by the Snipa/thor79/Oliver/Santara commission on social justice that these are concerned citizens advocating mild reforms and justice and if you are a true libertarian you must support them in their mostly peaceful rioting tonight. No justice, No peace, Fuck these racist ass police (even the black AG)


:rofl:

Santara is now a SJW

I'm loving this.
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Sep 23 2020 04:01pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 23 2020 05:16pm)
That's one person who is not able to influence the cities where this is a problem. Isn't it city council in the end that has control over the police?


The chief of police has control over the police. The mayor or city council can fuck with him/her at their own risk (to career). They can be sacked, but tread lightly lol.

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Sep 23 2020 04:05pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 23 2020 05:00pm)
Yes he claimed that, but If there is no doubt on either side that there was knocking then it was not a no-knock raid.


I specifically said the WARRANT was no-knock, not the raid itself. I have questions about why the police, in possession of a warrant that allowed for no-knock entry, would knock, but not announce that they were police (if Walker's claim is true that he didn't hear any verbal announcement that it was police at the door). It seems like a risk to the safety of the officers involved in the raid, if they knocked without announcing, when they legally didn't have to knock or announce, according to the warrant.

Note: Yes, I understand that one resident of that complex said that they heard the cops announce, but this is disputed by several sources, including 11 others at the same complex who claimed they heard nothing.

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