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for once I do agree with Pierre, Newsweek is kinda sus. Doesn’t mean that Soros (?) funded euromaidannews is any better though.
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^norlander for once I do agree with Pierre, Newsweek is kinda sus. Doesn’t mean that Soros (?) funded euromaidannews is any better though.


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I have to say freezing and threatening to use Russian assets without their consent to help Ukraine has been one of biggest driving force for countries to join BRICS. Egypt applied for a membership and is already part of their bank to conduct trade by bypassing dollar/euro whenever possible. Immediatly after, they renounced their recognition of Kosovo. Saudi Arabia and Iran have built a joint oil plant for the first time since forever. If those two conduct trade, there'll be peace and prosperity in the region, the worst nightmare of the American military complex. I'm sure they were eyeing with striking "dangerous" Iran next for "reasons" but it may not be possible anymore.
I didn't expect the US to fall apart so easily.

Meanwhile, China is planning to build a military base of their own in Cuba. We all know how it went last time. Nato being in Ukraine is ok but BRICS forces in Cuba or Mexico? But they want those military bases of their own volution. No one is forcing Cuba to host them :lol:

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I have to say freezing and threatening to use Russian assets without their consent to help Ukraine has been one of biggest driving force for countries to join BRICS. Egypt applied for a membership and is already part of their bank to conduct trade by bypassing dollar/euro whenever possible. Immediatly after, they renounced their recognition of Kosovo. Saudi Arabia and Iran have built a joint oil plant for the first time since forever. If those two conduct trade, there'll be peace and prosperity in the region, the worst nightmare of the American military complex. I'm sure they were eyeing with striking "dangerous" Iran next for "reasons" but it may not be possible anymore.
I didn't expect the US to fall apart so easily.


We're far from falling apart but the world is clearly becoming bifurcated and that move has a lot to do with it. It's basically modern day piracy at the nation level. We will maintain control and largely shape Euro policy, as well other regions (ex. Japan, Australia, etc) but we really did put a serious crack in our trust from other places.

But that's the US foreign policy in a nutshell over the last 20-40 years. Constant miscalculations, with boomeranging negative consequences. Arm the Mujahedeen against Soviets only for them to turn on us. Depose Saddam, only to spawn ISIS as a result and make the region hate us and hold us responsible for their instability more than ever. Get rid of Qaddafi only to have vast migration to Europe asa
result (same as with trying to get rid of Assad). Destabilize eastern Europe with pushing into Russia's sphere of influence? Who knows what the full consequences of that will be but it already boomeranged in a negative way for our Euro allies (with many having structurally higher energy costs for many years to come).

I'm really curious what Europe looks like in like 20 years. They either become more aligned and basically vassal states to US hegemonic policy, potentially becoming anti-China and hurting themselves economically or they try to become more independent and placing their interests ahead and diverging. Interesting times.

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Quote (babun1024 @ Jul 6 2023 12:30am)
I have to say freezing and threatening to use Russian assets without their consent to help Ukraine has been one of biggest driving force for countries to join BRICS. Egypt applied for a membership and is already part of their bank to conduct trade by bypassing dollar/euro whenever possible. Immediatly after, they renounced their recognition of Kosovo. Saudi Arabia and Iran have built a joint oil plant for the first time since forever. If those two conduct trade, there'll be peace and prosperity in the region, the worst nightmare of the American military complex. I'm sure they were eyeing with striking "dangerous" Iran next for "reasons" but it may not be possible anymore.
I didn't expect the US to fall apart so easily.

Meanwhile, China is planning to build a military base of their own in Cuba. We all know how it went last time. Nato being in Ukraine is ok but BRICS forces in Cuba or Mexico? But they want those military bases of their own volution. No one is forcing Cuba to host them :lol:


the west will lose a lot of future business and investment because of this, the whole world knows that your assets can get nuked for just having the "wrong" passport or "wrong" business partners

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We're far from falling apart but the world is clearly becoming bifurcated and that move has a lot to do with it. It's basically modern day piracy at the nation level. We will maintain control and largely shape Euro policy, as well other regions (ex. Japan, Australia, etc) but we really did put a serious crack in our trust from other places.

But that's the US foreign policy in a nutshell over the last 20-40 years. Constant miscalculations, with boomeranging negative consequences. Arm the Mujahedeen against Soviets only for them to turn on us. Depose Saddam, only to spawn ISIS as a result and make the region hate us and hold us responsible for their instability more than ever. Get rid of Qaddafi only to have vast migration to Europe asa
result. Destabilize eastern Europe with pushing into Russia's sphere of influence? Who knows what the full consequences of that will be but it already boomeranged in a negative way for our Euro allies (with many having structurally higher energy costs for many years to come).

I'm really curious what Europe looks like in like 20 years. They either become more aligned and basically vassal states to US hegemonic policy, potentially becoming anti-China and hurting themselves economically or they try to become more independent and placing their interests ahead and diverging. Interesting times.


the boomerang is part of the game to keep the machine going
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Quote (babun1024 @ Jul 5 2023 11:30pm)
I have to say freezing and threatening to use Russian assets without their consent to help Ukraine has been one of biggest driving force for countries to join BRICS.


it was pretty stupid all right.
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In Lviv, 80% of new recruits are acquired through raids in their houses. Meanwhile, in Russia, 180000 volunteers joined the army this year. Russia is about to build the biggest drone factory in the world. They want to build Shahed (Geranium) drones from Iran in mainland Russia.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/2023/02/12/tailor-made-shaheds-iranian-drones-are-being-modified-to-russian-specifications/?sh=4203217a4e91
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/05/29/russia-kamikaze-drone-production/

Russia is also rotating its forces at the Ukrainian front. They bring soldiers from China border then send them back and get people from other regions. Western analysts wrote Russia is risking its security by pulling off army from different parts of the country. The reality is all of their army is getting real combat experience, weapon handling, coordinated use of artillery, drones, tanks etc. something you can't teach in military academies:
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/internationales/geheimdienstbericht-aus-london-russland-setzt-mit-truppenverschiebungen-sicherheit-in-anderen-regionen-aufs-spiel-10102408.html

Another reason to stop the conflict. We're literally making their conventional force stronger day by day.

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In Lviv, 80% of new recruits are acquired through raids in their houses. Meanwhile, in Russia, 180000 volunteers joined the army this year. Russia is about to build the biggest drone factory in the world. They want to build Shahed (Geranium) drones from Iran in mainland Russia.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/2023/02/12/tailor-made-shaheds-iranian-drones-are-being-modified-to-russian-specifications/?sh=4203217a4e91
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/05/29/russia-kamikaze-drone-production/

Russia is also rotating its forces at the Ukrainian front. They bring soldiers from China border then send them back and get people from other regions. Western analysts wrote Russia is risking its security by pulling off army from different parts of the country. The reality is all of their army is getting real combat experience, weapon handling, coordinated use of artillery, drones, tanks etc. something you can't teach in military academies:
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/internationales/geheimdienstbericht-aus-london-russland-setzt-mit-truppenverschiebungen-sicherheit-in-anderen-regionen-aufs-spiel-10102408.html

Another reason to stop the conflict. We're literally making their conventional force stronger day by day.


1945 nazi style recruiting

according to the NAFO/NATO mob people are lining up to fight the orcs.....kinda looks like this is not the case
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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Jul 6 2023 01:44pm)
1945 nazi style recruiting

according to the NAFO/NATO mob people are lining up to fight the orcs.....kinda looks like this is not the case


That's a normal desperate measure in desperate times, the Soviets did the same during WW2. The difference here is Russia isn't nowhere near the point of desperation while Ukraine is already scrapping by.
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