didn't say that. But it's clear that ukraine has not properly trained some of their guys on the ground.

Watching them drag their bloody severed legs towards the tank, only to crawl onto another mine... It doesn't boast well.

Mobilks are mobiks. That was the main message. It doesn't matter if they are trained by NATO or Prigozhin himself. 3 months are nothing.

This post was edited by Norlander on Jul 4 2023 08:44am

It makes for great propaganda video for russia.

almost all the war activity footage in ukraine/russia is via drones.
Youtube has been closing channels that show russian side footage.

It was Ukrainian telegram channel by the way, Budanov something. Russian propaganda immediately raised it to the banner.

You saw "1 video 1 week ago", and so on you are saying "some of their guys" were not properly trained ?

For the few i know Ukraine realized Russia had put mines in massive amounts (even superior than usual russian army standards) and problems occured during first assaults. Question is: Do you think Ukraine reacted and properly adapted its strategy following this new constraint ?



Mobik, vlatnik, it's all the same trash for sure but it's not Ukrainian, it's Russian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatnik
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mobik

That or watch state TV, Grukk.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jul 4 2023 08:53am

The problem is not that small part of the frontline featured in that one video, it's everywhere

- Well prepared, layered Russian defenses
- Trenches / anti tank obstacles / minefield
- Artillery / missile systems / anti-tank missiles
- Helicopters firing anti-tank missiles
- Drones constantly observing what's going on and spotting the Ukrainians launching an attack

You'd think that nato intelligence would have warned them not to send untrained and under prepared men into a minefield.



There is video of all this.

Drones are a massive part of warfare now. You can't hide from the eye in the sky.

This post was edited by Mondain on Jul 4 2023 08:58am

This term was in use long before the invasion, even before "vatnik". So if you want to insult a Grukk then use "chmobik". This one is new.

This post was edited by Norlander on Jul 4 2023 09:01am

You are playing with semantics: 1/ Ukraine proceed assault 2/ There's alot of mines 3/ Do you think Ukraine properly adapted its strategy following this new constraint ?

Doesn't means whole NATO training is bad, the generalization and stretch is blatant her. Curious of Russian "training" lol.
I means; watching a video with few vehicles in line getting trapped by mines and artillery, and so jump to global conclusions.... Wow...




The problem is #3months, Grukk.

There is more than 1 video of specifically armoured vehicles and troops being in minefields and don't know how to react. Proceeding to be blown up and lose limbs.

Did they learn from it, Yeah I imagine they did. Have they adapted their strategy, only time will tell.

Furthermore Ukraine was never going to take russia, it's a nuclear power. All it has to do is detonate a small yield nuke in the area of ukraine and everything get's radiation sickness.

Plus even if either side "wins" they dont really win. all the infrastructure in that area is destroyed, it's a wasteland.

a wasteland that is also riddled with mines, broken vehicles, burnt trees and bodies. Buildings are destroyed, roads are ruined, bridges collapsed.

This post was edited by Mondain on Jul 4 2023 09:09am