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Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 23 2020 03:58pm)
I have many times, and thats why you hate me. I've been shining a light on your dishonesty for years.


Zero citations of course.

Lying about people to try to get a reaction again. desperate and pathetic.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 23 2020 03:59pm)
Awesome clownish, non-existence, and hypocrite "ideals".


I would bet big money you couldn't accurately explain even the basics of libertarianism without looking it up.

You embody 'sub 80'.
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Quote (Santara @ Sep 23 2020 03:48pm)
*to you*

We are not a monolith, and we're famous for arguing amongst ourselves. Unlike real bootlickers (like the people who go along to get along), the ideals themselves are paramount to us. We all have our own reasons guiding our thoughts, and our own values driving our assessments of fact.



A riot is the language of the unheard. ~ Martin Luther King Jr.

If there's a riot, perhaps it's time to listen to the reasons why, and not brush them under the rug?


what would realistic actionable steps look like on this issue in your mind

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Quote (cambovenzi @ 23 Sep 2020 16:00)
Zero citations of course.

Lying about people to try to get a reaction again. desperate and pathetic.

when you tell the truth about thor he throws a temper tantrum. if you're lucky he will just spam here but if he really gets emotional he will pm you seeking out some sort of father-figure approval. small timer that little fella lmfao
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Quote (Santara @ Sep 23 2020 03:48pm)


A riot is the language of the unheard. ~ Martin Luther King Jr.

If there's a riot, perhaps it's time to listen to the reasons why, and not brush them under the rug?


And Germany should have paid heed to the Nazi street brawls. You'll find a lot of common ground between then and now. Riots led by low information radicals with long rap sheets. Bismarck had the right of it, crush the dissent and resolve the underlying grievance.

Police accountability is a serious problem. I'm glad that the left has woken up to the dangers of public sector unions. Let's hope they don't forget it when it comes to teaching reform. But the racial narrative being advanced is simply false, fueled by dead-end ideology and media manipulation.
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Quote (cambovenzi @ 23 Sep 2020 22:02)
I would bet big money you couldn't accurately explain even the basics of libertarianism without looking it up.

You embody 'sub 80'.


When Trickle down gone down syndrome.
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And Germany should have paid heed to the Nazi street brawls. You'll find a lot of common ground between then and now. Riots led by low information radicals with long rap sheets. Bismarck had the right of it, crush the dissent and resolve the underlying grievance.

Police accountability is a serious problem. I'm glad that the left has woken up to the dangers of public sector unions. Let's hope they don't forget it when it comes to teaching reform. But the racial narrative being advanced is simply false, fueled by dead-end ideology and media manipulation.


can we all just agree not to compare people to nazis unless the end goal is to murder millions of people, i'll even concede it needs to be jews.

this whole "this is how it started in 193x" talk is silly. of course political movements have similar roots, but without an equivalent end goal the symbolism of it is hackery. its making people think of Holocausts that will never come, or facism that will never come, or starting a world war that will never come, etc.
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Quote (Santara @ Sep 23 2020 12:48pm)
*to you*

We are not a monolith, and we're famous for arguing amongst ourselves. Unlike real bootlickers (like the people who go along to get along), the ideals themselves are paramount to us. We all have our own reasons guiding our thoughts, and our own values driving our assessments of fact.


I mean, if your political rhetoric stems largely from aligning with positions that "own the left", merely sprinkling in a disdain of eminent domain or thinking that taxes are theft really just comes across as main-course right-wing ideology with a little bit of libertarian 101 seasoning.

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Parroting leftist/BLM talking points and catch phrases that could be found on a teenage socialist's blog is not the sole libertarian position or even a good libertarian position.

A better one is supporting police reform (or more radical libertarian solutions) while simultaneously condemning the leftist riots that target and victimize innocent people and violate property rights.

Quote (Santara @ Sep 23 2020 02:02pm)
Don't want people to fucking riot? Stop supporting politicians who do nothing to unfuck qualified immunity. When the marginalized community tells you, over and over again, exactly what they want, and you keep not listening, you reap what you fucking sow: No justice, no peace. Know justice, know peace. Read the words as many times as it takes for it to sink in.


You think that guy in your sig supports leftist riots and chants 'no justice no peace'? No way.

'The marginalized community' didn't tell anyone shit.
Various individuals said an array of different things, ranging from police reform to marxism and everything in between.
Defund the police w/o private replacements to let rioters and other criminals roam free, fraudulent racism narratives, and ending the nuclear family.

The idea that the request from the leftist mobs are clear, concise, uniform and valid and that people just aren't listening to their supposedly just demands is ridiculous, as is the idea that it would make rioting justified.

Some random guy or a random business isn't guilty of a police shooting. They aren't the government or the police.
Its immoral and against the core of libertarianism to target innocent people and their property, even if you think you have a justified problem with police.

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The non-aggression principle is an ethical stance which asserts that "aggression" is inherently illegitimate. "Aggression" is defined as the "initiation" of physical force against persons or property, the threat of such, or fraud upon persons or their property.


Its easy to identify the phony leftist core of the rioting. Fake and omnipresent racism claims and the pursuit of the abolition of capitalism are prominent themes.

Reforming qualified immunity isn't going to stop Marxist riots and to think otherwise is very naïve.

This isn't some intellectual justice movement.
Time and again violent criminals are glorified and the details are pushed under the rug and ignored to push false narratives.
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Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 23 2020 03:02pm)
what would realistic actionable steps look like on this issue in your mind


The elimination of qualified immunity. The requirement of professional liability insurance for cops, and a legal mandate that you cannot practice law enforcement without it.

Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 23 2020 03:05pm)
And Germany should have paid heed to the Nazi street brawls. You'll find a lot of common ground between then and now. Riots led by low information radicals with long rap sheets. Bismarck had the right of it, crush the dissent and resolve the underlying grievance.

Police accountability is a serious problem. I'm glad that the left has woken up to the dangers of public sector unions. Let's hope they don't forget it when it comes to teaching reform. But the racial narrative being advanced is simply false, fueled by dead-end ideology and media manipulation.


The notion that people with grievances are low information, and not the people who appear indifferent due to their own rationalizations of those grievances is probably part of the problem.

I don't know that it's fair to say "the left has woken up to it." The right has certainly been apt to harp on it, but that doesn't mean the argument is being heard. Perhaps we should conduct a poll.
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