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Quote (babun1024 @ Jul 4 2023 11:54am)
It doesn't work like that in real life. Unfortunately, Russia doesn't read your messages or follows your narrative.




Nope, you intervene. Your position is NATO intervention, then don't beat around the bush and call the kid by its name.You want a Nato intervention in Ukraine because just by insulting Russia or playing internet keyboard warrior Russia isn't going to retreat.

Nato made a gamble and were caught pants down. If Russia realizes, Nato can't fight Russia conventionally, they're going to attack Poland. That's how geopolitics work. People in power want even more power at all costs.

In my opinion, we need to somehow achieve peace for the next 5 years to strengthen Nato during that time.


If Russia invades Poland, Nato will Nuke Russia.
but seriously, Russia is not going to invade Poland, this narrative is fantasy land.

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If Russia invades Poland, Nato will Nuke Russia.

Nope, it won't. That's a big problem. Nuclear weapons alone aren't enough deterrence.

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Nope, it won't.


Russia wont invade Poland
or Nato wont nuke Russia

pick one, or both.

But seriously Nato WOULD nuke Russia if Poland was invaded. Russia has acknowledged that Red Line.

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Russia wont invade Poland
or Nato wont nuke Russia

pick one, or both.


The US isn't going to risk a nuclear war with Russia and the destruction of all of the life on earth because of Poland if Russia doesn't launch their nukes. That's why Nato is in panic and most of all, Poland and Baltic states. All of Nato should send troops there just in case.

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The US isn't going to risk a nuclear war with Russia and the destruction of all of the life on earth because of Poland.


But they would for Germany as has been evidenced in declassified documents. Poland is part of Nato, I dont see Nato backing down if Poland were invaded. for sure it would be WW3.

Can you not look at the map and realise Russia does not want all of Ukraine, does not want to escalate further.
Russia has repeatedly tried to de-escalate. Accepted on conditions the West find unpalatable, but Russia is not looking for a fight here, they are trying to get out of this war (while achieving their stated goals).

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But they would for Germany as has been evidenced in declassified documents. Poland is part of Nato, I dont see Nato backing down if Poland were invaded. for sure it would be WW3.


Yes, we're asking for a WW3 as of now. The situation is more serious than you think.
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Can you not look at the map and realise Russia does not want all of Ukraine, does not want to escalate further.
Russia has repeatedly tried to de-escalate. Accepted on conditions the West find unpalatable, but Russia is not looking for a fight here, they are trying to get out of this war (while achieving their stated goals).

That's not how it works in real life. You can never win in geopolitics by being passive. Nato wanted to expand no matter what Russia said. If Russia notices Nato is weak in continental Europe, they're going to get as much leverage as possible. China is going to support them. Yeah, we're in real danger.

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But they would for Germany as has been evidenced in declassified documents. Poland is part of Nato, I dont see Nato backing down if Poland were invaded. for sure it would be WW3.


nobody is invading anything, whatever the outcome of the war in ukraine is, thats where a permanent stalemate will exist again

i find that discussion kinda funny, somehow russia is totally losing (they are not) and still these baltics/poland invasion scenarios are talked about

there will be a new stalemate soon, the only question is exactly where in current ukraine and how many will die until that realisation comes
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Quote (babun1024 @ Jul 4 2023 12:38pm)
Yes, we're asking for a WW3 as of now. The situation is more serious than you think.


OK you have lost me. How much more serious can it be then when two nuclear superpowers are on the brink of direct war with their proxy (Ukraine) and allies (such as Poland) busy looking to find a way to drag the world into nuclear winter.

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Jul 4 2023 12:41pm)
nobody is invading anything, whatever the outcome of the war in ukraine is, thats where a permanent stalemate will exist again

i find that discussion kinda funny, somehow russia is totally losing (they are not) and still these baltics/poland invasion scenarios are talked about

there will be a new stalemate soon, the only question is exactly where in current ukraine and how many will die until that realisation comes


agree with that.

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If Russia invades Poland, Nato will Nuke Russia.


Damn, how can you be so sure ? Following your logic this means Nato doesn't want peace ? :drool:
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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 4 Jul 2023 13:32)
your analogy attempts become more absurd every time, you are losing the plot

sorry that reality is so disappointing for the slava ukraini nazi supporters

but its okay, there will be some other thing for you to get obsessed about and you will act like the current thing never happened

my stance remains, i will call out warmongering by all sides and attempts to rewrite history to wipe out certain responsibilities dont work on me

ukranian nazis and the west deliberately violating russias safety concerns are just as much to blame as putin and the kremlins geopolitics doctrine from the cold war era, thats a fact


we already established that you fully support the russian nazi invaders, while only clutching your pearls about the ukrainian nazi defenders, exactly like the kremlin told you - but what is your problem with my analogy?

de facto dictator? check.
repeatedly invading neighbours? check.
opposed by western allies? check.
sympathisers in the west who try to undermine opposition to his conquests? check.

only brain-dead propaganda NPCs would actually believe the warmongers are those that defend themselves and others from a military invasion, and not the invaders trying to conquer foreign territory. trying to bothsides this issue is pure mental gymnastics by war apologists. russia started this war, they have the power (and responsibility) to end it. ball is in their court.

Quote (babun1024 @ 4 Jul 2023 13:32)
Either Nato intervention or negotiate a peace agreement. Everything else didn't work.


There is also the option to continue the "fight" until the last Ukrainian. I don't like that option. You seem to be very adamant of it.


i think we established that a direct NATO intervention is not a diplomatic solution? so let me hear your feasible peace agreement, master diplomat. i told you mine, you (rightfully) dismissed it as unrealistic, because you know as well as me that pootin isn't interested in peace whatsoever, so please show us all what all sides would agree to.
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