sure, putin is totally gonna withdraw while winning and to allow the nazis to carry out the ethnic cleansings that they are planning

they did it in the WW2 days, they tried in 2014, they will try it again

i love how the same mob, that is calling people nazis for demanding documents and legal migration, is supporting literal supremacists and nazis running around with swastikas, black suns etc and who worship a literal mass murderer and holocaust participant (stepan bandera)



NATO will drop ukraine like a hot potato

imagine still supporting the brain-dead "all ukrainians are nazis" excuse for invading a sovereign country and murdering women and children.

imagine ignoring the ethnic cleansing russia has ACTUALLY committed in crimea in order to make it appear more russian, imagine just ignoring the thousands of russian nazi invaders (proudly displaying their own swastikas), in order to spin that kremlin lie... i guess to our pootin bootlickers here, nazis are only a problem when they defend their country, not when they invade one?!

of course pootin is not going to withdraw. because he does not WANT to stop the war. he wants to conquer more ukrainian territory. territory he himself repeatedly acknowledged to be ukrainian and independent in the past btw.

so stop pushing the moronic narrative that the west is so eager to continue this war forever and responsible for stopping it, when the guy who actually started it could end it immediately, and there's nothing the warmongers in the west could do about it.

disgusting war apologists and their idiotic propaganda...

i really dont think they will.

Jews should leave Russia 'before it's too late,' says former chief rabbi of Moscow

https://www.businessinsider.com/jews-should-leave-russia-before-too-late-former-moscow-rabbi-2023-7

=> Former because Putin replaced him by a ruscist-friendly one




Would not cope on 1 month stuff

Everybody here is shocked(this is sarcasm) that you would put the responsibility for peace on the West(who aren't even fighting the goddamn war) and call on Ukraine to give up most of the territory Russia has stolen from them since 2014.

This isn't a serious position. I mean if you were part of the Russian government I would understand you repeating the talking point, but otherwise it's laughable from a pro-Ukrainian Western perspective, and insane from a Ukrainians perspective.

I don't know if you understand this yet, but the Ukrainians are the last ones to capitulate to Russian demands. And there's no sense in the West at this point pressuring them to do so. From an amoral real politick perspective, which you seem to pretend every country follows 24/7, why would the West capitulate to Putin when this war is beating the shit out of their military and dividing their ranks? Putin's chef just marched on Moscow, and you think it makes sense for the West to pressure Ukraine to give up territory? If you're going to pretend to be an amoral strategist detached from outcomes you should come up with better strategy.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jul 3 2023 06:58pm

As soon as the west stops providing Ukraine weapons, the war stops, as they do not have the capacity to fight this war on their own. Sure I can live in fantasy land and get on a moral high horse, and demand the orc armies go home, a real popular take amongst low iq westerners, but I'm a realist. Fact of the matter Russia isn't going to give up this territory. They've mobilized 300+k people and could mobilize millions if they needed realistically. So this is a war of attrition, with Ukraine at best being on par as far as equipment (even with all of the western provision and billions) but never able to match the man power. This is a country that has already bled people and real updated population figures would put the country at sub 30 million, versus Russia which is what, 140ish million? So why would i want this to drag on for years? For 500k dead Ukrainians, maybe a couple of million? And for what? for pro-Russian parts of the country? Human lives > lines on a map.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jul 3 2023 07:08pm

I'm going to resist getting too salty, but haven't you been to Ukraine? You or your wife might have family there? And you want to subject them to the Russian army? The dudes who castrate Ukrainian men, who rape, torture, and murder the women? You would like those men to have Carte Blanche over Ukraine? This isn't Western propaganda, it's what they do. They are not a disciplined military. They are men ready to do evil.

Pretending that opposing military aid to Ukraine is actually helping the people of Ukraine is bullshit, plain and simple. You're some dude in New York pretending that you know how a normal Ukrainian feels. If Ukrainians want to fight, Americans should give them the tools to do so. If they want to negotiate, we should help them there. What we should not do is pressure them to capitulate to the raping, torturing, murdering Russian army/government. That's what you're trying to do.

I don't think this is true, but even if it was, how is that a real argument? You're saying that the unjustified Russian war to overthrow the Ukrainians government and much of their territory would succeed without Western help, but unless you support that goal, why would anyone support it? You've provided an argument for funding Ukraine.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jul 3 2023 07:21pm

"I have my wife or whatever relative who is affiliated with the Mordor, so i know well how things are going. Conclusion: West fault, Ukraine should be left to its fate and its whole population being likely looted/enslaved/tortured/killed or barely exterminated... Because you know... I want Peace..."

=> This is not new; since years I read the same insanities, I am not even surprised. We had the same kind of terrible stances during Covid, and I am almost sure it was up to climate change denial few years ago. GL with it, and it's not the only one like this. Better to leave this place lol

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jul 3 2023 10:25pm

Reminder: Ukrainian doctors 'told to castrate captured Russians because they are cockroaches'

Source: Mirror

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ukrainian-doctors-told-castrate-captured-26523466