Quote (babun1024 @ Jul 3 2023 08:38pm)

That's old news.I posted the news a week ago. New is that, when Ukraine to close, Russia started a counter-attack and destroyed important Ukrainian positions in north east. Ukraine, meanwhile, is throwing everything again at Orikhov. An Austrian military analyst said that the first phase of the counter offense has failed:
https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krise/oesterreichischer-militaeroberst-die-erste-phase-der-offensive-ist-gescheitert-nun-aendert-kiew-die-strategie_id_198114383.html
Ukraine haven't reached any breakthrough or a weak spot so far during their probing while losing lots of personell and resources.

Quote (babun1024 @ Jul 3 2023 02:38pm)

That's old news.I posted the news a week ago. New is that, when Ukraine to close, Russia started a counter-attack and destroyed important Ukrainian positions in north east. Ukraine, meanwhile, is throwing everything again at Orikhov. An Austrian military analyst said that the first phase of the counter offense has failed:
https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krise/oesterreichischer-militaeroberst-die-erste-phase-der-offensive-ist-gescheitert-nun-aendert-kiew-die-strategie_id_198114383.html
Ukraine haven't reached any breakthrough or a weak spot so far during their probing while losing lots of personell and resources.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 3 Jul 2023 21:55)

War should end, and honestly, it's the western countries responsibility to push for peace here. People are dying needlessly for little territorial gains. Ukraine even with western military support is not going to push Russia back out of the east.

Why couldn't we have skipped the whole 6 figures in deaths part and hundreds of billions wasted when we are going to end up at probably the same point. Russia will keep Crimea and most of the Donbass. I think some territory in Kherson and Zap can probably be negotiated back through peaceful channels. Young men should be working, building families, growing old and fat, not be dying for ambitions of men that give no shits about them.

Quote (Djunior @ Jul 3 2023 06:35pm)

- Minimal progress
- Ukrainian counteroffensive absorbed by layered Russian defenses
- Ukraine outgunned by Russia even with all Western help provided
- Russia is not going to run out of missiles despite sanctions
- War of attrition, Russia has prepared for years
- Minefield breaching without air superiority and artillery superiority
- The nuclear power plant

Lots of Western sources mentioned and linked (see you tube channel)

^ferdia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a2lOuAfYsc




Check vid ~@15:55

That 47th brigade took a beating on June 8th and lost a bunch of their best armored vehicles that were provided by the West

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 3 2023 08:55pm)

War should end, and honestly, it's the western countries responsibility to push for peace here. People are dying needlessly for little territorial gains. Ukraine even with western military support is not going to push Russia back out of the east.

Why couldn't we have skipped the whole 6 figures in deaths part and hundreds of billions wasted when we are going to end up at probably the same point. Russia will keep Crimea and most of the Donbass. I think some territory in Kherson and Zap can probably be negotiated back through peaceful channels. Young men should be working, building families, growing old and fat, not be dying for ambitions of men that give no shits about them.

Quote (ferdia @ Jul 3 2023 09:38pm)

I accept alot of people dont like Alex Jones. I hope this is not construed as me providing him a platform. I am posting this in order to give another viewpoint.
I do not condone or endorse Alex Jones, but that does not mean that I won't view some of his content and consider it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TkbgUfNziM

Quote (ferdia @ Jul 3 2023 09:14pm)

TLDR: nothing new here from me, except a comment at the end re: the Nuclear Power Plant. You linked me so I will say it again ~

Again, I have to reiterate I don't dwell on incidents in the moment which do not change the status quo. If an incident changes the trajectory, sure I will comment, but I ever take the long view. The current position is that Ukraine is, slowly, doing its long heralded spring offensive, with relative results.

While the US, or western "observers", want a decisive victory, or "gains" by the Ukrainian army, this "want" is departed from reality. There is such a thing as defender advantage. If Ukraine is "advancing" on fortified Russian positions, noting Russia has more artillery, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out who will lose more men. This also applies when Russia advances (it must be noted that Russia may not advance further, noting its intention is not to beat Ukraine, but rather to keep what it has). Ukraine knows that if it overextends itself with an offensive its army might collapse. It is very disingenuous of the West to blame Ukraine for not making gains, when it wont give Ukraine long range weapons, or Nato forces. Understand I am not saying that the US should give long range weapons or Nuclear Missiles, or troops to Ukraine, I am saying that without a game changer the Ukrainians are being ground down.

There is no decisive event on the horizon, instead we see this war of attrition. Based on everyone's capabilities one does not need to be a brain surgeon to come to the conclusion that this war is not going to end any time soon. Ukrainian, US, and Russian, resolve, is FIRM (I refer to leadership here).

What they want:

1. Ukraine wants its territory back from Russia (the same territory it bombed for 7 years), including Crimea.

Relating to Crimea ~

US and international surveys all accept that the people of Crimea see themselves as Russian. So with all that in mind, As Ukraine moves on Crimea, Russia is likely to see that as a brighter red line then Nato in Ukraine, which means Russia will match this escalation with its own (escalated) response.

2. The United States already owns Ukraine's assets. "Aid" is not free. Ukraine has a century of debt to pay for the military weapons it has bought and continues to buy. The US has stated that they want to send Russia back into the Stone Age and to create regime change in Russia. The funny thing is they had Russia-gate in the US (which was proven to be false) but they are happy to topple other governments...This really is double standards at the international stage. (I dont subscribe to double standards as you know).

3. Russia will not countenance US ballistic missiles (or otherwise) in Ukraine and sees Nato in Ukraine as an existential threat, and all attempts at diplomacy by Russia have been rebuffed by the United States. The only realistic way for the war to end soon would be if Donald Trump or Kennedy was elected but such a scenario is departed from reality noting there are too many vested interests that hate these two people. Biden/insert_other, will continue down the road we are on.

ERGO, the war continues...

None of these points should be new to any of us.

What DOES merit conversation in the moment is the repeated dialogue about the nuclear power plant. Something will probably happen there within the next 6 months. i.e. Ukraine will bomb it and cause Chernobyl 2.0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA9_BWwP0p0

Relating to the video, while Russia sidestepped Turkey, via missiles in Cuba, Ukraine was ever their red line, which is why they KNOW that they are going to go to war with the US (Directly or Indirectly) but do so anyway, because this is,was and forever will be, "the brightest of red lines".