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Modern right- low taxes, pro business, low regulation.


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"Only those that have been proven to be worthwhile"

Gonna have to disagree with that. They defended against most of the greatest advances in our society. That whole civil rights thing, and womens suffrage, among other things


Can you give me an example that doesnt lie more than 50 years in the past?

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Can you give me an example that doesnt lie more than 50 years in the past?


Marriage equality.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 2 2019 01:12am)
Can you give me an example that doesnt lie more than 50 years in the past?


:huh:

Gay marriage
Climate change
Trans rights will 100% be regarded in the same way in twenty years

Dont be stupid dude, conservatism is about maintaining previously established norms and hierarchies. They oppose expansion of rights every time it comes up because the maintenance of hierarchies has been its defining feature for literally its entire existence (modern conservatism originated from writers defending the monarchies of Europe during and after the French Revolution)
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 2 2019 03:23am)
:huh:

Gay marriage
Climate change
Trans rights will 100% be regarded in the same way in twenty years

Dont be stupid dude, conservatism is about maintaining previously established norms and hierarchies. They oppose expansion of rights every time it comes up because the maintenance of hierarchies has been its defining feature for literally its entire existence (modern conservatism originated from writers defending the monarchies of Europe during and after the French Revolution)



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Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 2 2019 10:23am)
:huh:

Gay marriage
Climate change
Trans rights will 100% be regarded in the same way in twenty years

Dont be stupid dude, conservatism is about maintaining previously established norms and hierarchies. They oppose expansion of rights every time it comes up because the maintenance of hierarchies has been its defining feature for literally its entire existence (modern conservatism originated from writers defending the monarchies of Europe during and after the French Revolution)


why do far-leftists at evergreen support forced segregation based on skin color ?
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 1 2019 09:19pm)
Modern Left - Too great accumulation of wealth at the top has detrimental effects to the economy and is unjust since they depend on the rest of society to make that wealth.

Modern Right - Do nothing. Allow and encourage wealth to concentrate. Ignore detrimental effects until it's too late, then say its not our fault, then say there's nothing we can do about it.

Even a basic knowledge of economics makes it painfully obvious that it isn't those at the top that drives innovation, but the desire for products by the masses who have the ability to pay for it.


Not a cogent argument.

We have one of the largest wealth gaps in the world yet we are the leader in innovation in an overwhelming amount of industries. That's not to say wealth inequality is a good thing, but your argument is trash.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 2 2019 07:09am)
Not a cogent argument.

We have one of the largest wealth gaps in the world yet we are the leader in innovation in an overwhelming amount of industries. That's not to say wealth inequality is a good thing, but your argument is trash.



We are a leader in innovation because of publicly funded research and public tax subsidies that make private research risk free.
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Not a cogent argument.

We have one of the largest wealth gaps in the world yet we are the leader in innovation in an overwhelming amount of industries. That's not to say wealth inequality is a good thing, but your argument is trash.


Doesn't mean it can't be better.

Innovation is going to be a function of several things, one of which is previously acquired wealth. We've had a big leg up on that one, mostly due to all the other industrialized countries destroying themselves twice in a row during our grandparents time.

As our income inequality rises though we're falling behind in several very important fields, like how we're getting totally shitfucked by China in renewable technology. Coincidentally this is occuring as their income inequality has been falling dramatically (hint: their populace actually has the money to buy the innovated products now)

It doesn't matter how much money the top earners in a country have. If 99% of the population doesn't have the money to spend, and therefore make those innovations worth spending research dollars on, then innovation won't happen.


Also, like Ink said, a huge portion of the most expensive and least-profitable parts of research are covered by publicly funded research grants and university scientists. At my undergrad one of my professors sold a carbonic anhydrase inhibitor patent to a pharmaceutical company for ~50k, and they were able to take it to market very quickly and make a ton of money
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Quote (inkanddagger @ Apr 2 2019 07:43am)
We are a leader in innovation because of publicly funded research and public tax subsidies that make private research risk free.


The opposite is mostly true. AMD and NVIDIA are developing state of the art graphics cards because private investors choose to invest in those companies. Same with Apple, same with most other corporations. Some companies do get tax credits, Tesla for example for creating electric cars but those are temporary. The public does very little to mitigate or reduce investment in the private sector, I could think of a few exceptions but those aren't what you mean.

The notion that the public is 'subsidizing' private research by not demanding more taxes is ludicrous. It's backward logic. Not extorting someone for money and then bragging about not doing so and expecting a pat on the back is retarded.

The overwhelming of drug breakthroughs happen at private pharma companies. Same with tech companies, same with clean energy, same with pretty much all spheres.

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