Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 28 2023 09:51pm)

Supply lines & associated bridge are used by both sides, so destroying a bridge isn't a great thing... Especially at home.
Like I said Ukrainians are destroying these bridges early because Ruzzians would do it when retreating anyway. Sad but not much other choice.

Quote (IceMage @ Jun 29 2023 02:29am)

The fact that this guy is the one who is going to face Donald Trump for the presidency shows us that God has a peculiar sense of humor.

Biden 4 years ago was good enough to beat him, obviously. Maybe he'll step up again, but the real tragedy is Republicans have several solid candidates to choose and they want to go with the old man who attempted a self-coup, extorted Ukraine, obstructed DOJ investigations, acted like a complete ass his whole presidency, etc etc.

Quote (Djunior @ 29 Jun 2023 11:10)

Both sides? Good ^_^
Gonna keep this for future reference

Quote (babun1024 @ Jun 29 2023 10:14am)

You guys act like people have got a choice in the US. Presidential campaigns are extremly expensive. Big corporate and super rich choose who to finance to get the maximum benefit next term. Of course, they don't offer money for free. In the end, you're left with the "choice" of two candidates for "democracy" facade.

Americans, you are so thoroughly divided by your higherups that you don't see the truth even if faced with one.
How come that in a country with 320 million people, 2 old senile farts are presented as the best/only choice? Think very hard about it. You're being divided in left and right and played against each other even though your majour interests align:
affordable healthcare, a wage you can live off, housing and adequate education.
None of the parties talk about those points as their flagships. You're fools who help spread their BS policy on online forums.

The USA is an oligarchy with a democratic facade for the masses.

That facade wasn't possible in ancient Greece because puppeteer MSM wasn't available at that time.

Now, take that fruitless off topic talk to your "make American great again" thread or allow "sexual indoctrination of kids" thread, because all of that is going to somehow bring you affordable housing, good wages, healthcare etc. :lol:

P.S.: I don't have anything against Americans. I just wanted to offer you a perspective outside of your usual bubble.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 29 2023 11:29am)

Any army is using bridges, except in marvel movies, Einstein.
#3months #prepared, and #trashposter

Quote (ferdia @ Jun 29 2023 11:29am)

well said.

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United States
Further information: Income inequality in the United States § Democracy and society, and Politics of the United States § Concerns about oligarchy
The Bosses of the Senate, corporate interests as giant money bags looming over senators.[17]

Some contemporary authors have characterized conditions in the United States in the 21st century as oligarchic in nature.[18][19] Simon Johnson wrote in 2009 that "the reemergence of an American financial oligarchy is quite recent", a structure which he delineated as being the "most advanced" in the world.[20] Jeffrey A. Winters wrote that "oligarchy and democracy operate within a single system, and American politics is a daily display of their interplay."[21] The top 1% of the U.S. population by wealth in 2007 had a larger share of total income than at any time since 1928.[22] In 2011, according to PolitiFact and others, the top 400 wealthiest Americans "have more wealth than half of all Americans combined."[23][24][25][26]

In 1998, Bob Herbert of The New York Times referred to modern American plutocrats as "The Donor Class"[27][28] (list of top donors)[29] and defined the class, for the first time,[30] as "a tiny group—just one-quarter of 1 percent of the population—and it is not representative of the rest of the nation. But its money buys plenty of access."[27]

French economist Thomas Piketty states in his 2013 book, Capital in the Twenty-First Century, that "the risk of a drift towards oligarchy is real and gives little reason for optimism about where the United States is headed."[31]

A 2014 study by political scientists Martin Gilens of Princeton University and Benjamin Page of Northwestern University stated that "majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts."[32] The study analyzed nearly 1,800 policies enacted by the US government between 1981 and 2002 and compared them to the expressed preferences of the American public as opposed to wealthy Americans and large special interest groups.[33] It found that wealthy individuals and organizations representing business interests have substantial political influence, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little to none. The study did concede that "Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and a widespread (if still contested) franchise." Gilens and Page do not characterize the US as an "oligarchy" per se; however, they do apply the concept of "civil oligarchy" as used by Jeffrey Winters with respect to the US. Winters has posited a comparative theory of "oligarchy" in which the wealthiest citizens—even in a "civil oligarchy" like the United States—dominate policy concerning crucial issues of wealth- and income protection.[34]

Gilens says that average citizens only get what they want if wealthy Americans and business-oriented interest groups also want it; and that when a policy favored by the majority of the American public is implemented, it is usually because the economic elites did not oppose it.[35] Other studies have criticized the Page and Gilens study.[36][37][38][39] Page and Gilens have defended their study from criticism.[39]

In a 2015 interview, former President Jimmy Carter stated that the United States is now "an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery" due to the Citizens United v. FEC ruling which effectively removed limits on donations to political candidates.[40] Wall Street spent a record $2 billion trying to influence the 2016 United States presidential election.[41][42]

Quote (babun1024 @ 29 Jun 2023 11:14)

You guys act like people have got a choice in the US. Presidential campaigns are extremly expensive. Big corporate and super rich choose who to finance to get the maximum benefit next term. Of course, they don't offer money for free. In the end, you're left with the "choice" of two candidates for "democracy" facade.

Americans, you are so thoroughly divided by your higherups that you don't see the truth even if faced with one.
How come that in a country with 320 million people, 2 old senile farts are presented as the best/only choice? Think very hard about it. You're being divided in left and right and played against each other even though your majour interests align:
affordable healthcare, a wage you can live off, housing and adequate education.
None of the parties talk about those points as their flagships. You're fools who help spread their BS policy on online forums.

The USA is an oligarchy with a democratic facade for the masses.

That facade wasn't possible in ancient Greece because puppeteer MSM wasn't available at that time.

Now, take that fruitless off topic talk to your "make American great again" thread or allow "sexual indoctrination of kids" thread, because all of that is going to somehow bring you affordable housing, good wages, healthcare etc. :lol:

P.S.: I don't have anything against Americans. I just wanted to offer you a perspective outside of your usual bubble.

Quote (fender @ Jun 29 2023 12:57pm)

you're somewhat barking up the wrong tree there. while i completely agree with your post (and have made countless myself in this sub that basically say the same), ice mage is NOT a MAGAt.

he's a republican, a conservative, an establishment shill, and a late stage capitalism defender, but he's not part of the MAGA cult and doesn't buy into the obvious moral panic / culture war bullshit topics.

Quote (babun1024 @ 29 Jun 2023 13:06)

I know him from another thread. He is a typical redneck but more of a down to earth own. He still supports that broken system and discusses shit policies against the people. I never saw a single post about real issues from him. I'd appreciate if he stays away from unrelated topics with his agenda.
On topic:
Podolyak said in Corriere de la Sera Ukraine is facing ammunition problem already. So much for the probing.
https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aqeYd3P_700bwp.webp
Russia is getting ammunition from Iran.

Quote (babun1024 @ 29 Jun 2023 14:06)

I know him from another thread. He is a typical redneck but more of a down to earth own. He still supports that broken system and discusses shit policies against the people. I never saw a single post about real issues from him. I'd appreciate if he stays away from unrelated topics with his agenda.

On topic:
Podolyak said in Corriere de la Sera Ukraine is facing ammunition problem already. So much for the probing.

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aqeYd3P_700bwp.webp
Russia is getting ammunition from Iran.