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Jun 26 2023 12:38pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 26 Jun 2023 20:32)
they had such a great support that they had murder civilians in the east, burn people alive in odessa and putins boys taking crimea received a hero's welcome

keep taking commands from your tv buddy


more revisionist history concerning conflicts that russian unmarked troops started in foreign territory to create excuses for and invasion, occupation, and subsequent ethnic cleansing. why am i not surprised that you support that? oh right...

still doesn't explain away the overwhelming rejection of russian invaders, not even in your #alternative facts world...
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Jun 26 2023 12:46pm
Quote (babun1024 @ Jun 26 2023 01:41pm)
Lots of D4 developers are from Ukraine and Russia :D


Send them back!
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Jun 26 2023 12:49pm
Quote (fender @ Jun 26 2023 08:35pm)
if you weren't a kremlin bot, you'd try to prove me wrong and provide some of those alleged western analysts buying into the "just a front for troop movement" narrative which completely disregards the massive downsides this had for pootin.

but you can't, you're just a liar, so you resort to pointless personal attacks that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. cope more, war apologist.



yes, yes... we already established that you can't read. doesn't change what i ACTUALLY said:

i say the main culprit is the nation that militarily invades its neighbour. you say it's the military alliance said neighbour approached in order to be protected from such an invasion.
i say it was ukraine's choice to make, and their decision should be respected. you say it's russia's call to make, and if ukraine chooses not to be a russian puppet, russia has every right to murder their citizens.

i'm an advocate for people's choice. you're a war apologist.


https://m.focus.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krise/der-aufstand-wirkt-inszeniert-alles-nur-ein-riesen-bluff-experten-bringen-gewagte-theorie-ins-spie_id_197379436.html

i feel generous today so i will give your lazy ass this one little bone

you will dismiss it anyway in 3....2....1....go

Quote (fender @ Jun 26 2023 08:38pm)
more revisionist history concerning conflicts that russian unmarked troops started in foreign territory to create excuses for and invasion, occupation, and subsequent ethnic cleansing. why am i not surprised that you support that? oh right...

still doesn't explain away the overwhelming rejection of russian invaders, not even in your #alternative facts world...


there are literally clips from german government tv all over place from a few years back that heavily criticise the ukranian government (most well known one from a dude called restle or so) for bombing civilians in eastern ukraine ^_^

if anyone is rewriting history its you and your masters, who eradicated all pre invasion history

i guess they were all kremlin bots back then

and now you can spam me again with another copy paste war apologist pooootin boot licker kremlin bot propaganda bla comment

go ahead buddy, but the facts dont care about your feelings
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Jun 26 2023 12:50pm
Quote (Norlander @ Jun 26 2023 02:44pm)
Fight for yourself and for your family. Germany is just a name. Centuries ago it was one name, centuries later it will be another. Only war never changes. If someone starts "singing" about the nation and self-sacrifice, then he wants to deceive you in his own selfish interests.

Good rule for life :)
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Jun 26 2023 12:52pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Jun 26 2023 07:49pm)
...there are literally clips from german government tv all over place from a few years back that heavily criticise the ukranian government (most well known one from a dude called restle or so) for bombing civilians in eastern ukraine ^_^ if anyone is rewriting history its you and your masters, who eradicated all pre invasion history


well said.
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Jun 26 2023 01:06pm
Adress of Putin and Lukashenko to nation in 5 minutes
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Jun 26 2023 01:10pm
Quote (ferdia @ Jun 26 2023 08:52pm)
well said.


in the end its like yuri bezmenov said, even when these people look at the proof how the media completely flipped their narrative, they just refuse to believe it

it is what it is i guess
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Jun 26 2023 01:10pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 26 Jun 2023 20:49)
https://m.focus.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krise/der-aufstand-wirkt-inszeniert-alles-nur-ein-riesen-bluff-experten-bringen-gewagte-theorie-ins-spie_id_197379436.html

i feel generous today so i will give your lazy ass this one little bone

you will dismiss it anyway in 3....2....1....go



there are literally clips from german government tv all over place from a few years back that heavily criticise the ukranian government (most well known one from a dude called restle or so) for bombing civilians in eastern ukraine ^_^

if anyone is rewriting history its you and your masters, who eradicated all pre invasion history

i guess they were all kremlin bots back then

and now you can spam me again with another copy paste war apologist pooootin boot licker kremlin bot propaganda bla comment

go ahead buddy, but the facts dont care about your feelings


only in revisionist kremlin bot history are "unmarked russian troops instigated a regional conflict in order to fabricate a casus belli - like they have done many times, including in ukraine itself, before" and "ukrainian troops shell civilians and are criticised by western media" somehow mutually exclusive, even though they are directly linked, and the latter happened as a result of the former.

does that make shelling of civilians ok? of course NOT. were they rightfully criticised? absolutely. has this been blown completely out of proportion by kremlin propaganda, and uncritically accepted by useful idiots: yes, the likes of you, ferdia, junior... are the perfect example for that.
not that even your favourite excuse, a completely 'unprovoked, random shelling of civilians, just for fun' would remotely justify the russian invasion, resulting in infinitely more casualties, destruction, and crimes...


regarding your "just a front for troop movement" copium: in case you didn't know, russia already had troops in belarus for literally years. an attack from the north has been an option (and initially happened, guess you already forgot) since the start. and no, two generals warning about the POSSIBILITY of an attack from that angle does not confirm your copium, completely disregarding all the downsides for pootin this resulted in (which you predictably did not address once)...

also, could there be a more obvious way to move troops than to draw the whole world's attention to where exactly prigoshin and his mercenaries are? that only makes sense in your kremlin bot world, where "the west" is suddenly completely unconcerned with them and celebrates them as heroes, which of course never happened in reality...

This post was edited by fender on Jun 26 2023 01:22pm
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Jun 26 2023 01:18pm
Quote (Norlander @ 26 Jun 2023 22:06)
Adress of Putin and Lukashenko to nation in 5 minutes


And nothing special
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Jun 26 2023 01:25pm
Quote (Norlander @ 26 Jun 2023 15:18)
And nothing special


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