Long story short: mustached Mussolini bribed Stauffenberg. Dismiss. Operation Valkyrie has failed.



This post was edited by Norlander on Jun 25 2023 03:32am

I think for some time now wagner group have complained about the role that they have played, and that there were perceived (or real) slights, and that something gave, the proverbial straw that broke the camels back, but that they rowed back at the last minute. thats my view, for now.

also its nice to see a level of maturity here from people, god knows there are a few posters that would never apologize for anything, heaven forbid that they would be called "apologists"

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 25 2023 03:38am

Conversation between Dizzy and ownyaah was a good example of maturity, I must admit

Wagner is basically the Kremlin's private army. As you probably know they're engaged in lots of places where they offer help in armed conflicts in exchange for a cut of the natural resources like for example Syria where Wagner helped "liberate" oil wells for the Syrian government in exchange for a whopping 25% cut of all oil profits from those wells.

Same goes for goldmines in Africa. So Wagner not only increases Russian influence but also generates a significant flow of money that flows back to the Kremlin via a network of companies so it cannot be linked to Wagner.

Wagner is important and Prigozhin and Putin are close. Prigozhin was never going to Moscow to overthrow Putin, everyone who thinks it was that simple is being played. All indicators point at this, I read that Rostov on Don is the military headquarters for the Ukraine operation, no one has explained how Wagner could walk in and take the entire place without firing a shot while Prigozhin had announced he was coming in hot, lol.

Everyone got baited and played because everyone in the West just wanted this to happen so badly, they've been dreaming about Putin being overthrown by his generals or dying of cancer for over a year now ^^

O dreams, O dreams,
So where are your delights?
Oh, where are you,
The joys of night?

It certainly seems embarrassing for Russia by any measure, if it was a true coup attempt and this sort of stupidity and incompetence was on display for the whole world then it was a huge blow to Russia. That makes me suspicious because I haven't seen much attempt on the part of the Russian government to downplay or hide this situation.

Wagner being dissolved and absorbed officially may not change what they actually do though, it may limit them in some ways but give them more freedom others. Keep in mind that Wagner is a household name around the world and that isn't really in keeping with a secretive private army. I have a similar view of what Wagners purpose was which is why I find it hard to believe they were involved in a coup against Putin.

Whatever the case, seeing what comes of all this will definitely be interesting.

Probably I don't know my country that good. The situation in Rostov city, neighboring Ukraine, has shown that majority of the population are pro-wagner while almost everyone are pro-war.

This is true