Quote (ownyaah @ 25 Jun 2023 01:47)

So what we know so far, and ill be strictly honest, too much bullshit in thread:

1. This was a real attempted coup, anyone saying otherwise is lying.
2. Prigozhin expected support/backing but instead was denounced by all political parties, MOD/military seniors, governors and relevant think tankers/media (slavyangrad/rybar etc)
3. MOD was very hesitant in fighting, trying to deter the situation without casualties to either side, which explains basically zero confrontation.
4. Wagner will be dissolved and absorbed into MOD and Prigoznin will be exiled (and probably assassinated at some point). This is a significant hit to Russian activities in Africa and to an lesser extent in Ukraine because Wagner was main-stormer troops.
5. Progoznin had already made statements in preparation - such as the one where he states that Russian forces are rapidly losing ground in south Ukraine (which he expected to happen during the attempted coup, but didn´t)
6. Overall this will have a small impact on the Ukraine war. Wagner was more functional as a standalone, rather than be absorbed into MOD
7. One of the main reason this didn´t spiral out of control is because the guys at the front did incredibly well

^Norlander ^Hamsterbaby thoughts?

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 25 2023 03:05am)

To correct you: it appeared it wasn't a coup but a mutiny.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jun 25 2023 02:15am)

Propaganda for who? I think the Russians put on a show, it isn't really pro-Russian to say their government lied to the world and their own people is it?

Oh, where'd you get those stats then?

It may be real, it just all seems a bit too orchestrated and smooth to me. Better to wait a few days and see what comes of it all IMO, you said a bunch of planes/helicopters got shot down? Well I will be interested to see if they release a list of who died and whether we see anything from their families, especially since Prigozhin is apparantly getting off with a slap on the wrist and trip to the faraway land of Belarus.

Quote (Norlander @ Jun 25 2023 07:05am)

More like a psyop to cover future mobilization and martial law (now it's a counter-terrorist mode with all the decrees signed during insurrection). This also show that Ukrainian GUR knew something about the coup so they delayed their counteroffensive exactly for this reason
PS: Hamsterbaby is shadow-banned
PPS:
https://i.imgur.com/uuXCdhn.jpg

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 24 2023 11:52pm)

He doesn't, it was all nonsense in my opinion. This whole ordeal played out like a Hollywood production action flick. It had the setup, the climax and the happy ending. There were carefully released videos to build up the suspense, there were various soldiers posing in gun nest positions for the right shots. Barricades, etc, but in the end i'm very skeptical of the whole thing.

People tend to forget that Putin has always played 4D chess and is ex-KGB, who i'm genuinely convinced had ordered the apartment bombings to gain public support for Chechen war. Prighozin has also played up Russian incompetence back in Bakhmut, when he was saying they weren't getting any weapons and would collapse any second, which was just trap for Ukraine to continue to funnel in reinforcements.

It's impossible for us internet sleuths to know what really happened but a theory I heard is this was way a stress test for loyalty to Putin. Basically the spies, the factions that would 'turn' would oust themselves by buying into this. Maybe this is BS, maybe it was all real but reality is Putin has strong support in Russia and they have a very strong intelligence within the SVR/GRU etc. I would say there's probably only a handful of countries probably US/Israel/China/UK that might have better intelligence services.

So with all this in mind, for 25k paid contractors to be able to somehow outsmart these intel agencies just seemed too farfetched imo.

Quote (IceMage @ Jun 25 2023 08:22am)

https://i.imgur.com/kW2rUhy.png

For those who need to be reminded.

Quote (babun1024 @ Jun 25 2023 02:26am)

The second part isn't set in stone. That's the Amerucan version of copium.

Quote (IceMage @ Jun 25 2023 08:27am)

Good luck.

Quote (babun1024 @ Jun 25 2023 02:34am)

No need for luck, time to wake up for Europe or whoever was under that umbrella. We need our military to be a proper deterrent again.

Quote (IceMage @ Jun 25 2023 08:40am)

A stronger European deterrent is completely consistent with an American-led liberal order.