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Apr 1 2022 05:05pm
Quote (SanduLungu @ Apr 1 2022 02:07pm)
they left behind alive comrades, let alone corpses of fallen comrades.


Nonsense
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Apr 1 2022 05:21pm
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Ukrainian officials deny this accusation however


It needs to be understood that first of all, it was not a military target they attacked, but a civilian oil depot.

Secondly, it should be understood that this "operation" was mainly conducted for propaganda and to embarrass the Russians in the informational sphere. The strike won't change how the war is going for Ukraine (which is not good.)

Now people can scream to the high heavens about how the Russians are retreating and Ukrainian tanks are about to roll into Moscow. It's ridiculous nonsense of-course, but that doesn't stop them from saying it.

Ukraine can't win any real battles on the ground, so they make up victories out of thin air backed up by silly strikes like this, ignoring the fact that the only air assets Ukraine has left are a handful of choppers they've got hidden in some random fields somewhere.

It certainly did take balls from the pilots though, but they were helped out by the fact that it was night-time, they were flying close to the ground to avoid radar detection, and the fact that the flight time to the area they targeted was only six minutes.
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SOP


Do you get a boner everytime the Ukrainian army does some PR stunt or what?
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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 1 2022 06:21pm)
It needs to be understood that first of all, it was not a military target they attacked, but a civilian oil depot.

Secondly, it should be understood that this "operation" was mainly conducted for propaganda and to embarrass the Russians in the informational sphere. The strike won't change how the war is going for Ukraine (which is not good.)

Now people can scream to the high heavens about how the Russians are retreating and Ukrainian tanks are about to roll into Moscow. It's ridiculous nonsense of-course, but that doesn't stop them from saying it.

Ukraine can't win any real battles on the ground, so they make up victories out of thin air backed up by silly strikes like this, ignoring the fact that the only air assets Ukraine has left are a handful of choppers they've got hidden in some random fields somewhere.

It certainly did take balls from the pilots though, but they were helped out by the fact that it was night-time, they were flying close to the ground to avoid radar detection, and the fact that the flight time to the area they targeted was only six minutes.


*All sources of oil are first and foremost military targets* Ivan.

No one is pretending like Ukraine is going to invade Russia, Ivan.

Nice pile of bodies your troops left behind. Fucking animals.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 1 2022 06:21pm)
Do you get a boner everytime the Ukrainian army does some PR stunt or what?


Did the Kremlin punish you for getting 10%d? I can't wait till you get another one, fascist invader.
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*All sources of oil are first and foremost military targets* Ivan.

No one is pretending like Ukraine is going to invade Russia, Ivan.

Nice pile of bodies your troops left behind. Fucking animals.



Did the Kremlin punish you for getting 10%d? I can't wait till you get another one, fascist invader.


Wow, looks like I truly hit a vein.

Please keep exposing yourself as the hateful person that you are. You can't counter the truth itself so you cheer on the censorship of people with opposing viewpoints. My, aren't you just a lovely person!

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Apr 1 2022 06:08pm
Quote (Santara @ Apr 1 2022 05:39pm)


Nice pile of bodies your troops left behind. Fucking animals.



I'm not going to entertain whatever ridiculous propaganda the Ukrainians put out regarding Russia's withdrawal of light infantry from around Kiev.

As a military man, you should know that similar things were said about the US when they pulled out of Afghanistan, a far more humiliating 20-year defeat than Russia's light assault towards Kiev which was only designed, in pure military terms, to tie up Ukrainian forces around Kiev and prevent them from reinforcing their comrades in the Donbass zone.

A tactic which worked for Russia, by the way. Now some 60-80 thousand Ukrainians are trapped near Donetsk with no resupply or hope of relief. You would think that somebody in the US Armed Forces would understand common military tactics such as a 'feint', but apparently not.

As for piles of bodies, there are plenty of such piles made out of Azov corpses in Mariupol right now. I wonder if you bothered to notice, or did you memory-hole it because it didn't fit your preferred narrative?

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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 1 2022 07:00pm)
Wow, looks like I truly hit a vein.

Please keep exposing yourself as the hateful person that you are. You can't counter the truth itself so you cheer on the censorship of people with opposing viewpoints. My, aren't you just a lovely person!


Hateful of warmongering criminals like your boss? Absolutely. Should I feel bad that Putin is censored? Not gonna happen, Ivan.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 1 2022 07:08pm)
I'm not going to entertain whatever ridiculous propaganda the Ukrainians put out regarding Russia's withdrawal of light infantry from around Kiev.

As a military man, you should know that similar things were said about the US when they pulled out of Afghanistan, a far more humiliating 20-year defeat than Russia's light assault towards Kiev which was only designed, in pure military terms, to tie up Ukrainian forces around Kiev and prevent them from reinforcing their comrades in the Donbass zone.

A tactic which worked for Russia, by the way. Now some 60-80 thousand Ukrainians are trapped near Donetsk with no resupply or hope of relief. You would think that somebody in the US Armed Forces would understand common military tactics such as a 'feint', but apparently not.

As for piles of bodies, there are plenty of such piles made out of Azov corpses in Mariupol right now. I wonder if you bothered to notice, or did you memory-hole it because it didn't fit your preferred narrative?


The US lost 2400 troops in 20 years in Afghanistan. Russia's losses exceed 10K in a month in Ukraine. Tell me more about humiliation, Putin mouthpiece.

"I'm NoT gOiNg To EnTeRtAiN..." because you're intellectually bankrupt. You spent the first week of this war defending the invasion as a defense of "poor helpless civilians in the Donbas." You're a liar. You don't give a fuck, because you're working to promote the Kremlin on the internet.
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Apr 1 2022 06:46pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 1 2022 01:13pm)
Send their best troops to do what? To clear densely populated urban areas where literally every apartment building can have snipers picking your soldiers off? Where these apartment buildings can have claymores, and other booby traps? Where western tank busters can basically neutralize armor for little gains? To gain what exactly? It would be an absolute nightmare and would result in a tremendous amount of deaths for Russia, we've already seen that with certain cities there. That's why they parked their armor outside of many cities and after thinking it over in places like Kiev just decided to abandon that strategy.

It's too costly, and whatever gains are probably not worth it. Their strat now seems to basically keep what they took and force Ukraine to talks, while consolidating the south and east.

edit: They failed on some objectives but succeeded on others. Ukraine's armed forces are largely in shambles now, so any offensive on the Donbass is likely to fail, we already know Ukraine conceded NATO membership. To me, imo those are two things they didn't have before the war.


Ukraine wasn't going to join NATO when there was an active military conflict and Crimea was still in dispute. Ukraine could talk all they want but it just wasn't going to happen.

After watching events unfold over the past month, I'm not convinced that North China has "good troops." As you know, North Chinese culture is built on cheating and they simply don't value life like we do. There's no culture of accountability there and you're constantly forced to kick the can down the road because that's the path of least resistance. There's a reason why you immigrated to America: you knew that many Slavic countries are inescapable shitholes and that North Chinese culture will never allow the vast majority of them to succeed.

There's just so much corruption and so many people skimming from the top that it shouldn't surprise us to see North Chinese soldiers ill-equipped. It shouldn't surprise us that a significant portion of the commanders have no idea wtf they are doing. I honestly feel bad for the soldiers who aren't engaged in war crimes and are just trying to make it. If I were Putin, I'd have a great purge and start executing the corrupt defense contractors, FSB agents, and members of the military. It's the only way for North China to become Russia again.
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Apr 1 2022 06:59pm
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After watching events unfold over the past month, I'm not convinced that North China has "good troops." As you know, North Chinese culture is built on cheating and they simply don't value life like we do. There's no culture of accountability there and you're constantly forced to kick the can down the road because that's the path of least resistance. There's a reason why you immigrated to America: you knew that many Slavic countries are inescapable shitholes and that North Chinese culture will never allow the vast majority of them to succeed.



This, also, China has jack shit operational experience, while America's military, though currently run by weirdo degenerates, still has a martial tradition won by the blood of thousands (Tarawa, Okinawa, etc) that China couldn't possibly reproduce. Paper tiger.

Except economically- in that arena, they can whoop our ass and probably will.

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Quote (chopstickz777 @ 2 Apr 2022 00:21)
It needs to be understood that first of all, it was not a military target they attacked, but a civilian oil depot.

Secondly, it should be understood that this "operation" was mainly conducted for propaganda and to embarrass the Russians in the informational sphere. The strike won't change how the war is going for Ukraine (which is not good.)

Now people can scream to the high heavens about how the Russians are retreating and Ukrainian tanks are about to roll into Moscow. It's ridiculous nonsense of-course, but that doesn't stop them from saying it.

Ukraine can't win any real battles on the ground, so they make up victories out of thin air backed up by silly strikes like this, ignoring the fact that the only air assets Ukraine has left are a handful of choppers they've got hidden in some random fields somewhere.

It certainly did take balls from the pilots though, but they were helped out by the fact that it was night-time, they were flying close to the ground to avoid radar detection, and the fact that the flight time to the area they targeted was only six minutes.

That's the point though: it is the invader who has to win battles to win the war. For the defender (Ukraine), it is enough to not lose them.



Quote (thundercock @ 2 Apr 2022 01:46)
Ukraine wasn't going to join NATO when there was an active military conflict and Crimea was still in dispute. Ukraine could talk all they want but it just wasn't going to happen.

I've made this point about 30 times in this thread, but they just keep ignoring it.



Quote (ofthevoid @ 1 Apr 2022 21:13)
Send their best troops to do what? To clear densely populated urban areas where literally every apartment building can have snipers picking your soldiers off? Where these apartment buildings can have claymores, and other booby traps? Where western tank busters can basically neutralize armor for little gains? To gain what exactly? It would be an absolute nightmare and would result in a tremendous amount of deaths for Russia, we've already seen that with certain cities there. That's why they parked their armor outside of many cities and after thinking it over in places like Kiev just decided to abandon that strategy.

It's too costly, and whatever gains are probably not worth it. Their strat now seems to basically keep what they took and force Ukraine to talks, while consolidating the south and east.

edit: They failed on some objectives but succeeded on others. Ukraine's armed forces are largely in shambles now, so any offensive on the Donbass is likely to fail, we already know Ukraine conceded NATO membership. To me, imo those are two things they didn't have before the war.

The whole premise of the Russian invasion was that the Ukrainian resistance would be weak and/or their own forces far superior, so that they could just steamroll the country in a blitz. Also note that they didn't need to go into the big cities to capture them - encircling them and then starving them out would have been good enough - but they weren't even able to accomplish that in any of the larger cities, and it took them almost a month before they finally managed to encircle smaller cities like Chernihiv or Sumy.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 1 2022 07:01pm
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