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Jun 24 2023 08:46am
Quote (Mondain @ 24 Jun 2023 16:12)
LOL you actually think russia has the ability to crush wagner?
Why get yourself killed for billionaires oligarchs.
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Yevgeny Prigozhin and the wagner group are labeled as traitors by the kremlin.
There is no turning around or stopping.


Putin & direct allies have a good hundred of thousands troops who are completely ready for a fight right now, ready to jump in vehicles.
Not sure how it's really needed: even the amount of Wagner troops is unclear. They could be more than 25k btw.

Quote (Djunior @ 24 Jun 2023 16:11)
Has nothing to do with the present conflict, what I said actually has everything to do with the present conflict...
Come back when you have a counter argument


I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you:
Russia is violating Ukrainian sovereignty since 2000's easy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko#TCDD_poisoning

So if you want to get back to "origins" of evil then i'm telling you: USSR worst moments, creation of state police and oppression of minorities, even Holomordor, generalization of Gulag system: go back into the 50-60's AND STAY THERE.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jun 24 2023 08:50am
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Meanwhile in Moscow. Anti-Wagner giga trench for a billion rubles (4£50)



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Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 24 2023 10:46am)
Putin & direct allies have a good hundred of thousands troops who are completely ready for a fight right know, ready to jump in vehicles.
Not sure how it's really needed: even the amount of Wagner troops is unclear. They could be more than 25k btw.


Farmers with muskets stopped the British. It doesn't take a million troops to win.

edit- also by your logic, russia should have already beaten ukraine. But wait, they havn't. I guess your logic isnt air tight.

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 24 2023 04:46pm)
I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you:
Russia is violating Ukrainian sovereignty since 2000's easy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko#TCDD_poisoning

So if you want to get back to "origins" of evil then i'm telling you: USSR worst moments, creation of state police and oppression of minorities, even Holomordor, generalization of Gulag system: go back into the 50-60's AND STAY THERE.


That's more stuff that has nothing to do with what I posted

Come back when you have a counter argument ^_^
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Quote (Mondain @ 24 Jun 2023 16:49)
Farmers with muskets stopped the British. It doesn't take a million troops to win.


This is a false story, I think that only 10% or so were motivated and armed. Would have to check: go for it.
Help from France was completely decisive. Doing comparison with muskets era is completely delirious anyway.

If there's something important it's timing, and in the video you posted we can cleary see that the Wagner chief has a plan, no idea how many troops he sent to Moscow and what they will do there.
He really seems to be ready for it, very professional, operational. Gz.



Quote (Djunior @ 24 Jun 2023 16:49)
That's more stuff that has nothing to do with what I posted
Come back when you have a counter argument ^_^


You have been schooled by history:

Related to the Agression and its reasons/legality:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruscism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko#TCDD_poisoning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_denial
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Related to Russia in general:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_mafia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

Russia bravely protecting itself from the terrible Nato agression:
Russian missile hits Zaporizhzhia apartments
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 24 2023 04:58pm)
This is a false story, I think that only 10% or so were motivated and armed. Would have to check: go for it.
Help from France was completely decisive. Doing comparison with muskets era is completely delirious anyway.

If there's something important it's timing, and in the video you posted we can cleary see that the Wagner chief has a plan, no idea how many troops he sent to Moscow and what they will do there.
He really seems to be ready for it, very professional, operational. Gz.





You have been schooled by history:

Related to the Agression and its reasons/legality:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruscism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko#TCDD_poisoning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_denial
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Related to Russia in general:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_mafia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

Russia bravely protecting itself from the terrible Nato agression:
Russian missile hits Zaporizhzhia apartments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yC7UWBIAJQ


More stuff that has nothing to do with what I posted...

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Last 20 minutes on reddit subs:

"Ukrainian Forces liberate territories near Krasnohorivka occupied since 2014"
"Russian source Rybar: Ukrainian Army advanced 1.5km on the Robotyne axis"
"Igor Girkin: Eyewitnesses report that colums of rebellious Wagnerites entered the Moscow region and have already passed the village of Barabanovo (Kashira). Moscow is only 2 hours away."
"Prigozhin’s insurrection may be destined to fail but it will weaken Putin"
"Authorities are destroying main roads in the Lipetsk region by digging them up in order to keep Wagner Group tanks and vehicles from approaching "
"Leonid Nevzlin: Putin is hiding in the bunker of his residence in Valdai. His closest friends and associates also flew there. The dictator is in a panic. Additional troops advanced towards Valdai to protect him. "
"Russian forces head to Moscow, Putin vows revenge Yevgeny Prigozhin"

Good for Ukrainians in any way.


Quote (Djunior @ 24 Jun 2023 17:01)
More stuff that has nothing to do with what I posted...


Loo, You will never find excuses to what Russia did to Ukraine. Just give it up.
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 24 2023 05:10pm)


Loo, You will never find excuses to what Russia did to Ukraine. Just give it up.


We weren't discussing that, you're making up stuff as you go.

Go back to what I posted (about NATO 2008 decision) and come back when you have a counter argument...
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Jun 24 2023 09:14am
Chechen Army vs Wagner Group is what's going around the rumor mill now.
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Quote (Djunior @ 24 Jun 2023 17:12)
We weren't discussing that, you're making up stuff as you go.
Go back to what I posted (about NATO 2008 decision) and come back when you have a counter argument...


You dont have an argument, now come back when you have a counter argument.
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