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Jun 24 2023 08:12am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 24 2023 10:10am)
This internal rebellion would be the best excuse ever for Putin to remove his troops from Ukraine without getting blamed and, by crushing it, even getting out with an upper hand.


LOL you actually think russia has the ability to crush wagner?

Why get yourself killed for billionaires oligarchs.

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Yevgeny Prigozhin and the wagner group are labeled as traitors by the kremlin.
There is no turning around or stopping.

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Jun 24 2023 08:17am
Quote (Djunior @ 24 Jun 2023 17:11)
Has nothing to do with the present conflict, what I said actually has everything to do with the present conflict...

Come back when you have a counter argument




The square is just the square but Wagner troops add a lot of flavor

No?


They seem to love Vkusno i Tochka so I'm going to ambush them there
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Quote (fender @ Jun 24 2023 04:12pm)
i told you many times before that ukraine and georgia approached NATO (which is their right as sovereign nations), not the other way around. your "question" is based on an easily debunked propaganda spin, you silly kremlin bot.

back to your cave, war apologist.


And NATO is stupid enough that they think this is a legitimate excuse to use against your main adversary for the last 8 decades or so, hmm?

Everyone understands it's not an excuse and Ukraine knew all too well how Russia was going to react...

Keep licking that NATO leather though you moron
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Jun 24 2023 08:19am
Quote (fender @ Jun 24 2023 03:47pm)
welcome back, ampootin. glad you're back from hiding, so tell me now: what exactly would have happened had russia NOT invaded ukraine?
you say russia's war of aggression was "inevitable" (after initially claiming the warnings of a russian attack were just US propaganda, lol), please explain why. why wasn't NOT starting a war an option? last time i asked you that, you mysteriously disappeared from this thread...


stop following me around fenderp

i was here the entire time, while you only sperg out when you dont take your meds

if you want to talk, try to make an actual point
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Jun 24 2023 08:20am
Quote (Mondain @ Jun 24 2023 10:12am)
LOL you actually think russia has the ability to crush wagner?

Why get yourself killed for billionaires oligarchs.


Yes, but they are not. They are hitting targets all over Ukraine where there are billions of dollars in western AA systems but they wouldn't be able to wipe out a convoy with a few thousand people?

Anyway, there's still no kinetic engagements, the internet is going crazy saying that it's because troops are unwilling to fire and have turned but IMO there's no proof of this. Don't think orders to actually shoot are being given.

Seen a video of Prighozin meeting with some Russian brass. Seen a subsequent video of him saying they aren't interfering with any of the military operations in Rostov and not bothering any officers or military personnel.

Unless we start seeing videos of active hostilities, or Russia's front crumbling, i'd hold off on sensationalist outcomes.

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And NATO is stupid enough that they think this is a legitimate excuse to use against your main adversary for the last 8 decades or so, hmm?

Everyone understands it's not an excuse and Ukraine knew all too well how Russia was going to react...

Keep licking that NATO leather though you moron


you will only get copy paste shit in response, its like a broken record

its just incredible how the ukraine situation since 2014 got rewritten since the invasion despite all documented facts
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Yes, but they are not. They are hitting targets all over Ukraine where there are billions of dollars in western AA systems but they wouldn't be able to wipe out a convoy with a few thousand people?

Anyway, there's still no kinetic engagements, the internet is going crazy saying that it's because troops are unwilling to fire and have turned but IMO there's no proof of this. Don't think orders to actually shoot are being given.

Seen a video of Prighozin meeting with some Russian brass. Seen a subsequent video of him saying they aren't interfering with any of the military operations in Rostov and not bothering any officers or military personnel.

Unless we start seeing videos of active hostilities, or Russia's front crumbling, i'd hold off on sensationalist outcomes.


Prigozhin says in the video that the chief general staff fled from the military operations in Rostov.
the Kremlin has labeled Prigozhin a Traitor.

These don't sound like fake stories.

The wagner group is made up of russians, who know russia and it's people.
They have friends and family who live in Russia.

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Quote (Mondain @ Jun 24 2023 10:26am)
Prigozhin says in the video that the chief general staff fled from the military operations in Rostov.

the Kremlin has labeled Prigozhin a Traitor.

These don't sound like fake stories.
The wagner group is made up of russians, who know russia and it's people.
They're not invading another country, They have friends and family who live in the places they go.


Didn't say they were fake, but people are jumping to a lot of conclusions. I mean at this point Akhmat units entered Rostov, so if there really was hostilities we'd probably have videos and confirmations, instead all i've seen is a bunch of civilians walking around PMC Wagner soldiers, tanking selfies on tanks, etc.
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Jun 24 2023 08:33am
Can anyone confirm or deny the explosion(s) that happened in Voronezh?

Voronezh is about 540 km to Moscow.
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