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Apr 1 2022 02:07pm
Quote (dro94 @ Apr 1 2022 08:51pm)


they left behind alive comrades, let alone corpses of fallen comrades.
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Apr 1 2022 02:13pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 1 2022 03:15pm)
I just don't think this argument has any merit. Particularly if Russia expected a blitz, there's no reason to not go for a shock-and-awe strategy where they send their best troops and their most modern equipment into Ukraine, win the war in a few weeks and leave the West shaking at the sight of the mighty and seemingly greatly modernized Russian army. If they had better troops, why hold them back and risk pictures of T-72s (lol) being towed away by Ukrainian farm tractors? If Russia was afraid of a military conflict with NATO, this would be all the more reason to try to project as much strength as possible!

Holding their best troops back only makes sense if they expected a war of attrition that grinds to a standstill from the get go - but if that had been the course of the war their strategists expected, there would have been no reason to start this kind of war in the first place.



There's only two logically consistent explanations for what went down so far:
1. They expected to win this war quickly and decisively with aging equipment and poorly trained, poorly motivated conscripts, deliberately holding back their best troops because they thought they wouldn't need them.
2. The Russian army is indeed a paper tiger and what we're seeing is indeed (close to) the best they can do.


Explanation #1 would represent a historic amount of hybris and misreading of the strategic situation. I have a hard time believing that the Russian military leadership is THAT incompetent. Explanation #2 assumes a far lower degree of incompetence by the Russian side: they overestimated their capabilities somewhat, underestimated the Ukrainian resistance somewhat and their offense got stuck as a result.


Send their best troops to do what? To clear densely populated urban areas where literally every apartment building can have snipers picking your soldiers off? Where these apartment buildings can have claymores, and other booby traps? Where western tank busters can basically neutralize armor for little gains? To gain what exactly? It would be an absolute nightmare and would result in a tremendous amount of deaths for Russia, we've already seen that with certain cities there. That's why they parked their armor outside of many cities and after thinking it over in places like Kiev just decided to abandon that strategy.

It's too costly, and whatever gains are probably not worth it. Their strat now seems to basically keep what they took and force Ukraine to talks, while consolidating the south and east.

edit: They failed on some objectives but succeeded on others. Ukraine's armed forces are largely in shambles now, so any offensive on the Donbass is likely to fail, we already know Ukraine conceded NATO membership. To me, imo those are two things they didn't have before the war.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 1 2022 02:38pm
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Apr 1 2022 02:19pm
Quote (ferdia @ 1 Apr 2022 16:09)
more news:

Ireland: Russia launches conscription drive amid Ukraine conflict
England: War in Ukraine: Russia accuses Ukraine of attacking oil depot
Foxnews: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said during an overnight speech Friday that he has demoted two of his own generals, describing them as "traitors." The leadership shuffle in the upper echelon of Ukraine's government comes as its war with Russia stretches Friday into its 37th day.


Conscription starts on April, 1st and September, 1st twice a year. That's not related to on-going conflict.
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Apr 1 2022 02:21pm
Quote (dro94 @ 1 Apr 2022 19:51)


That or the war crimes

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60949791

No doubt there's free kills, torture, rapes, looting etc
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Apr 1 2022 02:24pm
Quote (Norlander @ Apr 1 2022 09:19pm)
Conscription starts on April, 1st and September, 1st twice a year. That's not related to on-going conflict.


thank you for clarifying.
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Apr 1 2022 02:42pm
Quote (ferdia @ Apr 1 2022 08:09am)
more news:

Ireland: Russia launches conscription drive amid Ukraine conflict
England: War in Ukraine: Russia accuses Ukraine of attacking oil depot
Foxnews: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said during an overnight speech Friday that he has demoted two of his own generals, describing them as "traitors." The leadership shuffle in the upper echelon of Ukraine's government comes as its war with Russia stretches Friday into its 37th day.


Translation: Ukraine attacked a legitimate military target and Russia is big mad.
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Apr 1 2022 02:54pm
Quote (Santara @ 1 Apr 2022 23:42)
Translation: Ukraine attacked a legitimate military target and Russia is big mad.


Ukrainian officials deny this accusation however
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Quote (Norlander @ Apr 1 2022 03:54pm)
Ukrainian officials deny this accusation however


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Apr 1 2022 03:34pm
Colonel of SBU and deputy of Odessa Andriy Kislovsky have been caught having sex with transgender Jasmin. Assault team thought he was meeting a Russian spy in his secret appartments, they were completely surprised by the size of "service weapon" she has.
Andriy Kislovsky is married and has a kid.


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Quote (Norlander @ 1 Apr 2022 21:34)
Colonel of SBU and deputy of Odessa Andriy Kislovsky have been caught having sex with transgender Jasmin. Assault team thought he was meeting a Russian spy in his secret appartments, they were completely surprised by the size of "service weapon" she has.
Andriy Kislovsky is married and has a kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u48P7Tl4RQk



Andrei Kislovsky himself is involved in politics and was a member of the Odessa City Council of four convocations, the first two of them as a member of the now banned Communist Party of Ukraine.
Business in Russia and ORDLO
Although officially Andrei Kislovsky has nothing to do with the business registered to his mother, according to Odessa journalists, the deputy owns not only by the Odessa dolphinarium “Nemo” ..
In fact, this is a dozen and a half dolphinariums hotels and SPA in Ukraine, annexed Crimea, Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus and Thailand. :unsure:


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