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Jun 24 2023 04:07am
Quote (Meanwhile @ 24 Jun 2023 12:54)
Like ISW wrote: a coup is unlikely to happen. They would have to storm to the Kremlin right now to have a chance (I guess). So it could end up like a siege of Rostov, or something similar. Everything plays in favor of Ukrainians:
There's something I am sure tho: Putin's circle is very small, they are all (experts, politics) repeating it since a while already. Meaning dynamics of a coup are not to be compared with our western countries models.

Prigozhnin in power ? That's alot of assassinations in the elite, and alot of shoulders shrugs from the enslaved population. Possibly he would bring back the army to Russia to appear more popular and to... Control his own territory.

/e seems russians are bombing themselves atm


But they were low on ammo and used only shovels
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 24 2023 12:05pm)
Meanwhile: Russian Federation troops are preparing in the Moscow region to take up arms against Wagner PMC units.

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1672543543041175559
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1672539695153139712

https://i.imgur.com/nsCfx6p.png


Yes, to end the conflict, you need to show power. How do you think nuclear deterrence works, Francois?

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But they were low on ammo and used only shovels

Quote (babun1024 @ 24 Jun 2023 12:08)
Yes, to end the conflict, you need to show power. How do you think nuclear deterrence works, Francois?


In Mordor they are allowed to nuke themselves. Have a nice day.
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Jun 24 2023 04:19am
Putin declared Prigoshin as a traitor to the Russian Federation to which Prigoshin answered he made the wrong choice, the choice of the civil war.

Yeah guys, now, the situation escalated for real.
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In Mordor they are allowed to nuke themselves. Have a nice day.


It's easier to just push a button than change a direction of the strike
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronezh
This is the kind of very historical town to take, 1 million people, military installations.
PMC “Wagner” took control of all military facilities in Voronezh – Reuters and BBC

Wagner's group doesn't have much time so i guess they have to seize something big and to build defenses quick. This is probably the basics of any military strategy.

/e

Mercenary boss seizes southern city in Russia's first insurrection for decades

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/wrapup-1-putin-vows-crush-092040375.html

A Russian security source told Reuters that Wagner fighters had also seized military facilities in the city of Voronezh

"The president makes a deep mistake when he talks about treason. We are patriots of our motherland, we fought and are fighting for it," Prigozh said in an audio message. "We don't want the country to continue to live in corruption and deceit."

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Putin declared Prigoshin as a traitor to the Russian Federation to which Prigoshin answered he made the wrong choice, the choice of the civil war.

Yeah guys, now, the situation escalated for real.


It was a wierd ambiguous speech to be honest as he didn’t call anyone by name and just implied that traitors will be punished. Same as Kadyrov, none of them called Prigozhin by name.

This could mean all of this is to get Gerasimov/Shoigu out.

Any way you look at it - it looks bad for Russian army.





(Drozdov - Russian analogue of David Attenborough: “let’s watch and not intervene”)


Interesting historical analogies with Kornilov Affair from 1917

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kornilov_affair

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I am going to apply for the position of Putins Chef when Prigozhin gets the window treatment

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Jun 24 2023 06:13am
Chechen and Russian special forces have arrived. Some of the Prigoshin people are seen slowly leaving and going back to their positions in Ukraine. A direct confrontation haven't taken place, yet.
Quote (Malopox @ Jun 24 2023 01:37pm)
It was a wierd ambiguous speech to be honest as he didn’t call anyone by name and just implied that traitors will be punished. Same as Kadyrov, none of them called Prigozhin by name.

This could mean all of this is to get Gerasimov/Shoigu out.

Any way you look at it - it looks bad for Russian army.



https://i.imgur.com/l9zTVOf.jpg

(Drozdov - Russian analogue of David Attenborough: “let’s watch and not intervene”)


Interesting historical analogies with Kornilov Affair from 1917

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kornilov_affair

He is still giving the men under Prigoshin a chance to abandon him without being prosecuted.
As soon as the first bullet is fired, there is no going back.

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