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Jun 23 2023 06:57pm
Quote (babun1024 @ 24 Jun 2023 03:53)
The coup is real. He'd need 12h at least to reach Moskow, destined to fail IMO.


Well, at least he'd try. This will ruin Putin's reputation completely right before new elections in the worst case.
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Jun 23 2023 07:09pm
Maybe a nice Trap , to force ukrainian to fight.
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Rostov is under full control of PMC
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Quote (Norlander @ Jun 24 2023 04:12am)
Rostov is under full control of PMC


Absolutely bizarre situation

Nobody seems to know who is behind this, there is no way prigozhin is doing this alone

1. falseflag
2. hardliners?

This post was edited by ownyaah on Jun 23 2023 08:33pm
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Quote (ownyaah @ 24 Jun 2023 05:33)
Absolutely bizarre situation

Nobody seems to know who is behind this, there is no way prigozhin is doing this alone

1. falseflag
2. hardliners?


Guess we need to ask that Wagner expert from the pic I posted
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Jun 23 2023 09:03pm
None of this makes any sense lol

>Ukraine launches counter offensive
>Ukraine makes very modest gains, while losing a fair amount of western armor
>Kind of acknowledging the tactics aren't working Ukraine stops some of the heavier offensive to regroup
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>Russian military launches strike on PMC Wagner (for reasons..?)
>Prighozin tells PMC Wagner to march on Moscow for a coup...? With 25k contract soldiers?? Really?


Like wtf happened in between that we all of the sudden woke up in bizarro world?
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Jun 23 2023 09:08pm
lol twitter & reddit :
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- Reports that the FSB and the administration of Rostov have also been taken by Wagner forces.
- Wagner coup: US says situation is ‘serious’ as White House consults allies
- The Wagner PMCs announced the capture of the headquarters of the Southern Military District, the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Rostov. In short, the city is taken. They are getting ready in Voronezh.
- Sounds of shooting near the highway in the Voronezh region (little east from ukraine)
- It is highly likely that large parts of the Russian military in Rostov have joint the coup. The Kremlin has no saying here any more.
- Whoever controls Rostov will also control the primary resupply line for virtually the entire Russian force in Ukraine
- Civil war in Russia

etc etc, IMHO if even half of this is true then we could have the output to end all this :

Russia has a tradition of multiple military entities and these generals & networks of people are figting for their own life. Russia is just too big and Wagner only represent a small group.
This means alot of chaos and uncertaintyies for a while... They will all try to eliminate each others and this is happening while Ukraine is trying to break trough with fresh fully equiped army.

But it is still only a scenario ATM...
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Jun 23 2023 09:16pm
from trusted paper ( https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2023/06/24/guerre-en-ukraine-en-direct-moscou-annonce-des-mesures-de-securite-renforcee-le-chef-du-groupe-wagner-affirme-que-ses-troupes-sont-entrees-sur-le-territoire-russe_6178840_3210.html )


Evgueni Prigojine says he is "ready to die" with his 25,000 men
The leader of the paramilitary group Wagner said that he and his 25,000 men were ready to die for "the fatherland" and "release the Russian people" from the military hierarchy, against which he entered rebellion.
"We are all ready to die, every 25,000. And afterwards, there will still be 25,000. Because we die for the fatherland, we die for the Russian people, that we must release from those who bomb the population Civil, ”said Evgueni Prigojine in a new audio message on Telegram.

Russian opponent Khodorkovski calls to "help" the Wagner chief against the Putin regime
The Russian opponent and businessman in exile Mikhail Khodorkovski called on Saturday to help the leader of the Wagner group, Evgueni Prigojine, in rebellion against the Russian army, to fight the regime of Vladimir Putin.
"Yes, even the devil it would be necessary to help him if he decided to go against this diet! (…) If this bandit [M. Prigojine] wants to disturb the other [Mr. Putin], it's not the time to make a face, now you have to help, "he wrote on Telegram.

:huh:

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jun 23 2023 09:22pm
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