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Jun 21 2023 12:45pm
Klitscho Kiev’s mayor putting this out just recently. Wonder what he’s on about.

Lots of western money sloshing around in Ukraine. Some of these maybe got a bit too greedy with appropriating some of these funds is my guess.

https://twitter.com/nationindepend/status/1671585250974081046?s=46&t=Clvaf6rKkSLkdAtdE744Gg

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Jun 21 2023 01:18pm
In Lviv, Ukraine, Digging Up Old Graves to Bury Newly Fallen Soldiers

Along this hillside on a bright afternoon, mourners tended the graves of relatives buried here for weeks, months or more than a year.

Mariia Kovalska’s son, Ivan, was killed nine months ago in Kramatorsk, in the eastern Donetsk region. He was 30 years old, and his round face and blue eyes resembled his mother’s, she proudly explained.

“What is it all for?” she asked, the pain clear in her voice. “The best of the best have died. He graduated from university. He had a diploma with honors. Why did he die?”

Kateryna Havrylenko, 50, who works for the city maintaining the graves, loaded soil onto a wheelbarrow. There are funerals here nearly every day, she said.

“With the counteroffensive, many young men and women will be killed,” she said. “Words cannot express how difficult it is. Very, very difficult. Even though they are strangers, they are someone’s children, just like I have a child.”

At the start of Russia’s war, there was a small cluster of freshly dug graves on a hillside in one part of the cemetery. Now, nearly 500 soldiers have been buried here in plots filling half the hillside, she said, and more will come.

In the top section of the cemetery, city officials have begun exhuming the unmarked graves of soldiers who were buried as long ago as during World War I, young men who died early in the last century making way for those who have now fallen in this war.

“It is just so hard to think — last summer, there were so few,” Ms. Havrylenko said. “And now there are so many.” She added with a faraway look, “Until the war ends, how many more will there be?”

At the start of Russia’s war, there was a small cluster of freshly dug graves on a hillside in one part of the cemetery. Now, nearly 500 soldiers have been buried in plots filling half the hillside.
Reporting was contributed by Neil MacFarquhar from Stockholm, Matthew Mpoke Bigg from London, Cassandra Vinograd from Kyiv, Ukraine, and Daria Mitiuk from Lviv, Ukraine.

Source: The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/19/world/europe/ukraine-soldier-funerals-lviv.html

Note:
"Give out skis in the winter." Ukrainians ridiculed the idea of ​​scooters in cemeteries

The leaders of the western regions of Ukraine solve the problem of places in cemeteries in different ways, to which more and more funeral processions arrive. Special vehicles will be launched in Ivano-Frankivsk, and old graves will be used in Lviv for re-burial.

At the cemetery in the Ukrainian city of Ivano-Frankivsk, it will be possible to rent vehicles. Including bicycles and electric scooters. This was announced by the mayor of the city Ruslan Martsinkiv.

This post was edited by Norlander on Jun 21 2023 01:21pm
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In Lviv, Ukraine, Digging Up Old Graves to Bury Newly Fallen Soldiers

Along this hillside on a bright afternoon, mourners tended the graves of relatives buried here for weeks, months or more than a year.

Mariia Kovalska’s son, Ivan, was killed nine months ago in Kramatorsk, in the eastern Donetsk region. He was 30 years old, and his round face and blue eyes resembled his mother’s, she proudly explained.

“What is it all for?” she asked, the pain clear in her voice. “The best of the best have died. He graduated from university. He had a diploma with honors. Why did he die?”

Kateryna Havrylenko, 50, who works for the city maintaining the graves, loaded soil onto a wheelbarrow. There are funerals here nearly every day, she said.

“With the counteroffensive, many young men and women will be killed,” she said. “Words cannot express how difficult it is. Very, very difficult. Even though they are strangers, they are someone’s children, just like I have a child.”

At the start of Russia’s war, there was a small cluster of freshly dug graves on a hillside in one part of the cemetery. Now, nearly 500 soldiers have been buried here in plots filling half the hillside, she said, and more will come.

In the top section of the cemetery, city officials have begun exhuming the unmarked graves of soldiers who were buried as long ago as during World War I, young men who died early in the last century making way for those who have now fallen in this war.

“It is just so hard to think — last summer, there were so few,” Ms. Havrylenko said. “And now there are so many.” She added with a faraway look, “Until the war ends, how many more will there be?”

At the start of Russia’s war, there was a small cluster of freshly dug graves on a hillside in one part of the cemetery. Now, nearly 500 soldiers have been buried in plots filling half the hillside.
Reporting was contributed by Neil MacFarquhar from Stockholm, Matthew Mpoke Bigg from London, Cassandra Vinograd from Kyiv, Ukraine, and Daria Mitiuk from Lviv, Ukraine.

Source: The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/19/world/europe/ukraine-soldier-funerals-lviv.html

Note:
"Give out skis in the winter." Ukrainians ridiculed the idea of ​​scooters in cemeteries

The leaders of the western regions of Ukraine solve the problem of places in cemeteries in different ways, to which more and more funeral processions arrive. Special vehicles will be launched in Ivano-Frankivsk, and old graves will be used in Lviv for re-burial.

At the cemetery in the Ukrainian city of Ivano-Frankivsk, it will be possible to rent vehicles. Including bicycles and electric scooters. This was announced by the mayor of the city Ruslan Martsinkiv.


RIP and a very sad development
Quote (Norlander @ Jun 21 2023 06:04pm)
Ukrainians forcing the shallow Dnieper, for example. I doubt they will ever admit it was a part of counteroffensive since the beginning. It still will take time for heavy armored vehicles to be transfered to the other riverside. Probably that's why they are regrouping, not because of damage inflicted by the opposite side. Zaluzhny is not that simple.

That's a double edged sword. Biggest problem keeping Russia back were supply lines on the other side of the river. They can now start a full scale operation with no mines or defensive structures directly towards north. If you ask me, long term, not a good solution for Ukraine if they don't manage to break through there and build defensive structures of their own.

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Jun 21 2023 02:00pm
The question is who is more prepared
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Jun 21 2023 03:09pm
Sounds like Ukraine has a new ally

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Jun 21 2023 03:33pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 21 2023 11:09pm)
Sounds like Ukraine has a new ally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqIw8LXs7u4

Ukrainians were about to surround Bakhmut, then Prigoshin made posts about needing ammo and supplies because they were running out of them. Ukrainians came up with a real push, then they were met with very heavy resistance and shitloads if incidendary grenades in the open. You don't hear anything about that Bachmut encircling anymore.
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The question is who is more prepared

Russia is amassing troops for an attack. If they exploit first, we'd know they blew up the dam.
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Klitscho Kiev’s mayor putting this out just recently. Wonder what he’s on about.

Lots of western money sloshing around in Ukraine. Some of these maybe got a bit too greedy with appropriating some of these funds is my guess.

https://twitter.com/nationindepend/status/1671585250974081046?s=46&t=Clvaf6rKkSLkdAtdE744Gg


Rats leaving a sinking ship want to take care of their future prospects.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jun 21 2023 03:37pm
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Jun 21 2023 05:17pm
Watch a Russian Soldier Surrender to a Ukrainian Drone in Bakhmut

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 22 2023 01:17am)
Watch a Russian Soldier Surrender to a Ukrainian Drone in Bakhmut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2W8yRa9XuA


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65959146
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Jun 22 2023 01:52am
Nato allies back fast-track membership for Ukraine, says Cleverly - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/21/ukraine-recovery-london-conference-volodymyr-zelenskiy-eu

Also, Ukraine strikes Chonhar bridge to Crimea, says Russia : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65982817

both of these events suggest to me the war will rage on (and escalate).

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