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Jun 18 2023 01:37pm
Quote (ferdia @ Jun 18 2023 09:02pm)
I did say I would ignore you, but a quick comment - i watch that guys' video's as well. If the US is able to say China is a threat, and place its Navy in a blockade around China, with a narrative of "Russia Bad, China Bad, Putin must be ousted, China next", and if we also have "we must have regime change in Russia and lets keep equippnig Taiwan with reapons" then *shrugs* whats the problem when China says the US is threatening them ? is it not a fact that the US has said that China is the enemy ? And well Covid, blaming the US on Covid is no different then Trump calling it the China Flu. Is it that because you dont like China that you cant look at things on balance ?

anyway thank you for providing that video there is reference to the article so i will go google translate it and read it.

TLDR: China is basically accepting that the US means to go to war with them, and that the US show no indication of backing off (i could have told them this last year...). This basically means the grey area of will there or wont there be a war with China is becoming brighter and brighter. Remember, China is not on the US doorstep, the US is on China's doorstep (like they are with Russia). I see no route to peace noting Trump won't be elected and even if he was it would only delay the inevitable. All other US politicians, that matter, want war.

Historically, things which don't make sense sort themselves out over time. The US trying to tell China what they're supposed to do from their Island without neighbouring/having a border with China or having any cultural ties is stupid af. The US is bound to fail longterm because of "overstretching", a thing any empire in history was confronted with. Europe should have an army and should take care of its security itself. The US shouldn't be needed. EU is way too decadent/ complacent as of now. That's not US' fault.
We'll have a multipolar world some day where every continent has a say. I am afraid, the US is going to fall hardest because to this day they don't have a proper culture/identity. Europe is going to suffer the most but bounce back later.

The final nail on the coffin was the US and allies freezing Russia's assets in the banks/privat sector. Petrodollar and printing more dollars won't work anymore. A semi bankrupt state is going to be forced to live within its means by abandoning and retreating from their bases all around the world. Without bases and close partners, the US is just North America.

China isn't interested in a war with the US at all. The US is already losing as of now. The US wants war because otherwise they won't stand a chance in 15-20 years to come.

China's plan to get rid of the US in their region (Taiwan) is very different from what being projected in MSM. They're going to surround Taiwan not allowing any craft to enter or exit its borders until they capitulate. No naval invasion in the works because it's stupid. The US wanted to make new "freedom fighters" out of Uigurs but that failed big time by China's response. I don't support in any way and totally condemn how China "solved" their problem but by doing so they prevented an Ukraine.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jun 18 2023 01:56pm
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Jun 18 2023 02:09pm
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NYT: Evidence suggests Russia blew Kakhovka dam

https://news.yahoo.com/nyt-evidence-suggests-russia-blew-140011304.html
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what evidence?

"The Kremlin knew the dam's weak point because it was built during Soviet times" (this is laughable and not evidence)

well well must of been Russia then.... but then again Washington post suggests Ukraine did it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/06/06/ukraine-russia-kakhovka-dam-hydroelectric-war/

"On one occasion, as Ukrainian forces plotted a counteroffensive in the Kherson region, they conducted a test strike using an American-provided HIMARS rocket launcher to puncture three holes in one of the floodgates of the Kakhovka dam.

Maj. Gen. Andriy Kovalchuk, who led the Kherson offensive, told The Washington Post late last year that the goal was to see if the water level of the Dnieper River could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages. The test was a success, Kovalchuk said, but commanders decided to hold off on such an operation"

Oh, that suggests that Ukraine may know more than they admit? :D

Also https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/13/zelensky-ukraine-war-leaked-documents/

suggests Ukraine does not desire peace, and why would they? when They are being supplied a free army to wipe out their foes....


can`t just paste every news article you see and claim its a fact....


you do realise that media reports favourably about their own country?


who would gain the most from such an attack? You said one of your relatives served in the Gulf War? So they/You know the problems a difficult environment poses logistically for attacking forces? (I'm referring to when Saddam lit up the oil fields if you/relative cant remember.... Its basics of war, use the environment to your advantage.


Please don't report me claiming personal attack etc because I don't agree with you, this is a debate forum after all....

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The Irish president, and his wife, have ever been sidelined by the Irish Government (my government is keen to join Nato). Last year when the presidents wife called for peace she was told to stay at home and do the dishes, this time around the president and his wife were just flat ignored:

credit: Irish State News (rte):

Tánaiste Micheál Martin has defended his decision to convene the Government's Consultative Forum on International Security after criticism from President Michael D Higgins, who said Ireland is "playing with fire" during a dangerous period of "drift" in foreign policy. The President has also warned about moving away from Ireland's traditional policy of "positive neutrality". The forum meets this week to discuss neutrality and other issues. In an interview with the Business Post, President Higgins highlighted the composition of the panels at the forum saying they include "the admirals, the generals, the air force, the rest of it" as well as "the formerly neutral countries who are now joining NATO."

He also referred to the chair of the forum - Louise Richardson - as a person "with a very large DBE - Dame of the British Empire", adding that it was grand but he could have come up with a few speakers himself. The forum will meet in Cork, Galway and Dublin from next Thursday.

This was after remarks earlier in the year by Micheál Martin implying his wish to join Nato.

Note1 : Ireland has a rotating leadership right now, Michael Martin and Leo Varadkar, the leaders of two separate parties (both in government coalition) alternate the leadership between them, for the last few years now.
Note2 : Ireland has a President which is more of a honorary role with little or no power. President Michael D Higgins is in some quarters referred to as Bilbo (Baggins). He is very well spoken and well regarded but the government hates him, noting he ever voices concerns about the governments wishes to ditch its neutrality, and their view that its not time for peace in Ukraine (the government follows the Nato line - there will be no peace until the US says so, and anyone else suggesting peace is not a friendly and should be dealt with).

India, Africa, China those not directly involved see the war as a conflict between the US and Russia.


Hey at least your leader is pushing back against it, that's something.

What threat is the Irish government so concerned about that they feel they need to join NATO?
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Jun 18 2023 04:18pm
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Hey at least your leader is pushing back against it, that's something.

What threat is the Irish government so concerned about that they feel they need to join NATO?


dolphins? I mean, there is no threat. no one in nato / eu would allow anyone to come in through ireland.
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Jun 18 2023 04:50pm
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dolphins? I mean, there is no threat. no one in nato / eu would allow anyone to come in through ireland.


Maybe Ireland itself is the threat?

For example, say another world power like China wanted to exploit divisions within a powerful EU country in order to stoke a conflict like we see the US do around the world

Ireland seems like it would be a prime target for that type of strategy, given their history with the UK

I don't think China is necessarily planning that or anything but I think the US wants to defend against what it would do in China's situation, if that makes sense.
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Jun 18 2023 06:10pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jun 18 2023 11:50pm)
Maybe Ireland itself is the threat?

For example, say another world power like China wanted to exploit divisions within a powerful EU country in order to stoke a conflict like we see the US do around the world

Ireland seems like it would be a prime target for that type of strategy, given their history with the UK

I don't think China is necessarily planning that or anything but I think the US wants to defend against what it would do in China's situation, if that makes sense.


There were problems with the Russian ambassador's residence last year. A regular batman batcave / complex. I cant remember what happened in the end. China does not really feature here, they are more involved with Australia and everywhere else I guess.
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Jun 18 2023 06:47pm
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There were problems with the Russian ambassador's residence last year. A regular batman batcave / complex. I cant remember what happened in the end. China does not really feature here, they are more involved with Australia and everywhere else I guess.


I didn't mean to imply that China is trying to do so, just that if I were the US/EU/NATO I would view Ireland as a potential avenue for that sort of strategy.

I'm not very well educated on the scope of it but as far as I know the IRA worked with nazi Germany in WW2 to some extent, so it wouldn't be without precedence.

So given that, if I were the US/EU/NATO I would fund and elevate politicians/academics within Ireland who support policies that bring it closer into their sphere of influence, which means integration into global organizations like NATO. That would allow them to dictate policy changes within the organization that require member countries to adapt their own laws or leave the organization which is usually unfeasible due to the economic investment involved.
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Jun 18 2023 06:58pm
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what evidence?


Beyond the new drone photos released: It was not possible for Ukraine to make it blow from inside since the dam was in the hand of russians.
Even a disabled kid can understand this.
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Jun 18 2023 07:00pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 18 2023 09:58pm)
Beyond the new drone photos released: It was not possible for Ukraine to make it blow from inside since the dam was in the hand of russians.
Even a disabled kid can understand this.


Speaking from experience?
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Jun 18 2023 07:07pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 19 Jun 2023 03:00)
Speaking from experience?


sure son
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