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Feb 19 2019 01:56pm
Quote (Knoppie @ Feb 19 2019 12:41pm)
Going into it is going further of topic on pro / anti Israel stances over 6 politicians getting out of labour of which 2 are LFI members and pointing out antisemitism as a part of the reason, yet all are leaving over having mostly a different Brexit ideal and agenda.

The discussion is moving to far off topic, you can make a right for Israel to exist topic if you want.


/e Better question right now is if the newly formed party is foolish enough to push for a referendum.

/e2: Probably even a better question: Who will flinch first before a hard Brexit happens, the UK or the EU?


Once again, your post is notable in it's absence of facts. Though I do like the question.

Fact: This topic is about EU news. EU-Israeli relations are constant EU news. Going further, Israel is a focalpoint of EU politics, and a party's success or failure in an EU Nation or in the EU Parliament could depend on what stance they take in the debate. So, this is not off topic. Instead, it is THE topic.

Your question... If the UK rolls with a hard Brexit, Trump, China, and India will all rush to conclude a contract with Britain before the EU can do something stupid like try to renegotiate current contracts to prevent such. It will get to the point where the EU will have to beg to even trade with Britain. Germany will have to swallow the investment into the EU that Britain has shouldered, which will bankrupt Germany, and put the brunt of responsibility on France. The EU is doomed. Unless the idiots in charge cave and don't hard brexit.
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Feb 19 2019 02:01pm
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Once again, your post is notable in it's absence of facts. Though I do like the question.

Fact: This topic is about EU news. EU-Israeli relations are constant EU news. Going further, Israel is a focalpoint of EU politics, and a party's success or failure in an EU Nation or in the EU Parliament could depend on what stance they take in the debate. So, this is not off topic. Instead, it is THE topic.

Your question... If the UK rolls with a hard Brexit, Trump, China, and India will all rush to conclude a contract with Britain before the EU can do something stupid like try to renegotiate current contracts to prevent such. It will get to the point where the EU will have to beg to even trade with Britain. Germany will have to swallow the investment into the EU that Britain has shouldered, which will bankrupt Germany, and put the brunt of responsibility on France. The EU is doomed. Unless the idiots in charge cave and don't hard brexit.


Good.. The UK will need a few more countries to have a trade deals with. They are currently stuck at 7 with 6 weeks to go.

/e Part of the reason why the flinching game isn't fair within the deadline given..

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Feb 19 2019 02:28pm
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My answer is no. They never did. Perhaps you should ALL brush up on your history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War


You just proved your ignorance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories

find out the "violation of international laws" everywhere.

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Feb 19 2019 02:39pm
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You just proved your ignorance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories

find out the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories

"violation of international laws" everywhere.


Once again, there is no "Palestine". Gaza, the West Bank, and Eastern Jeruselem were abdicated. Prior, they had been parts of (in no particular order) Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. As a point in fact, "Palestine" was completely obliterated by the Ottoman Empire.

This was never an occupation. This was would-be conquerors losing a war they started, abdicating land they had used to launch surprise attacks for over a decade, and Israel claiming that ungoverned land for themselves. All of the remaining occupants were Jordanian, Egyptian, and Syrian. And NONE of them had a right to be there once said countries abdicated their claim.

There is NO occupation. There is ownership. It's high time Israel ignores the socialists of the EU and looks out for it's own best interests, first and foremost by expelling the terrorist threat of the descendants of past invaders.
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Feb 19 2019 02:49pm
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"Palestine" was completely obliterated by the Ottoman Empire.


Israel’s Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant Violation of International Law, Security Council Reaffirms

https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm

Period.


https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/a_hrc_37_41.pdf

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Feb 19 2019 02:53pm
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Israel’s Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant Violation of International Law, Security Council Reaffirms

https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm

Period.


And who exactly is the UN to violate a sovereign nation's sovereignty? The UN refused to come to the aid of Israel during the 6 day war, when Israelis died by the thousands to secure their right to exist the UN was nowhere to be found, when Jews were being slaughtered by the thousands in the middle east and northern africa afterwards, the UN wouldn't say a word.

Fuck UN Resolutions. The rights to the land were abdicated. It was ungoverned, Israel claimed it, it's theirs. When the UN can hold up their side of the contract, then they have a say. Until then, they're even more useless than Trump has claimed.
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Feb 19 2019 02:54pm
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Fuck UN Resolutions.


Fuck fart right zionists
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Feb 19 2019 03:05pm
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Fuck fart right zionists


Not only am I not a zionists, or Jew, or religious, or even on the "right", but I don't particularly give a shit about Israel.

What has me more interested is how many people in Europe (and the US) believe they should be able to dictate what a sovereign nation does on it's own soil.

I'm sure you were also in favor of the Iraq war, arming Syrian Jihadists against Assad, turning both libya and somalia into failed states, and the continued hostilities in Yemen.

Wherever you so-called "victim-helpers" stick your nose in, pure chaos and obscene loss of life follows. And you don't seem to see the pattern.
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Feb 19 2019 03:20pm
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Not only am I not a zionists, or Jew, or religious, or even on the "right", but I don't particularly give a shit about Israel.

What has me more interested is how many people in Europe (and the US) believe they should be able to dictate what a sovereign nation does on it's own soil.

I'm sure you were also in favor of the Iraq war, arming Syrian Jihadists against Assad, turning both libya and somalia into failed states, and the continued hostilities in Yemen.

Wherever you so-called "victim-helpers" stick your nose in, pure chaos and obscene loss of life follows. And you don't seem to see the pattern.


Ofc you are a zionist, and a nice one... In the same way your country did the completely unjustified iraq war 2, you are just promoting agressions following your beliefs.
You are saying "Fuck UN Resolutions" ? I think it close the discussion. Hopefully the joke is about to end soon with more and more countries getting nukes and ICBMs.

Finally Trump is doing good by giving nukes to S.Arabia. Well done.

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Feb 19 2019 03:29pm
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Ofc you are a zionist, and a nice one... In the same way your country did the completely unjustified iraq war 2, you are just promoting agressions following your beliefs.
You are saying "Fuck UN Resolutions" ? I think it close the discussion. Hopefully the joke is about to end soon with more and more countries getting nukes and ICBMs.


Wait, now I'm "my country"? Here I thought we were having such a nice time! I opposed both Iraq wars. I also oppose the current war in Afghanistan. The Taliban is not and never was our problem. Afghanistan's government can do as they wish. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were our goal, and that in response to a direct attack that cost thousands of American lives. They're rather less of a thing now, especially in Afghanistan.

So, which aggressions am I promoting, mate? Tell me. Read back, and read carefully. Removal of terrorists who have actively attacked your nation. Not shadow wars, not collapsing governments.

You, on the other hand, are supporting the Palestinian Authority (West Bank), who pay lifelong stipends to the families of any Jihadist who will murder an Israeli or Jew, Hamas (Gaza), an active terrorist group currently funded by half the Arab world in an effort to wipe out Israel, and East Jerusalem, populated by people who have desecrated every holy place of the oldest Abrahamic religion on the planet, and in their spare time lobbed rockets into Jerusalem every chance they get on the offhand chance they might just kill a few more Jews in the Interim.

Zionist? Fuck no. You, though, are almost certainly an anti-Semite, completely disregard sovereign autonomy, and support active terrorism. Based on your own words. You wouldn't be a supporter of the EU, by chance, would you? :D
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