Quote (ferdia @ Jun 17 2023 08:56am)
If you put to one side the current narrative spun in the west about putin (i know this is hard), and ignore for a moment any toxic users that may respond to my post between now and when you read this, there were clear tell signs throughout the last 20years that indicated that Russia was not happy with what Nato was doing. If you look specifically at events relating to Ukraine, you can see and read enough about the minsk accords and his attempt to negotiate a deal with the US just before the war, that this was a move of last resort, when all else failed.
Understand I am not talking about right or wrong, I am talking about causes of the conflict. By most accounts (again, ignoring the current MSM narrative) Putin is not an idiot. If he was going to "make russia great again" he would have done it much sooner, say, in the early 2000's. invading ukraine, would ever cause nato to respond, and he knows nato has more stuff. He knows this and yet still he did it. In 2014 he was about to lose his base of operations for his navy, therefore he reacted. The logic then and now looks more like that he saw what was happening as a threat. he has not invaded all of ukraine, he is just securing the parts that he believes he needs. the force that attacked ukraine was not enough to take over the country. the force he currently has is not enough to take over the country. therefore it is a limited invasion. this does not match with the narrative that he wants to invade finland, poland or where-ever.
do you think he wants all of ukraine, and to invade poland/finland etc ? no one knows, its all speculation, but what do you think his aim is here ?
just think about it for a minute.
In order for there to be a resolution to the conflict there needs to be an acknowledgement of the reasons for the conflict.
Ruscim actually means actually racism, against russians, as was pointed out, in the wiki, which you posted.
You are so far detached from reality. You have very little understanding of what Putins motivations were for invading.
Like others your blinded by a dislike of NATO and US foreign policy that when Putin does the exact same thing you scramble for ways to justify it.
Even asking for people to forget what they think of Putin to apply your narrative. Whilst all the time you maintain a rationale against NATO/ The Collective West/US Forgeign policy.
Akin to saying : "Allow yourself to be completely objective; Whilst I myself remain completely subjective"
The narrative you and others push only makes sense if you are a hypocrite. Even demanding theories are believed as fact without any evidence whatsoever. NS2's destructionand its revolving door of those you deem responsible with zero evidence.
And it's just so blatantly obvious aswell.
This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jun 17 2023 06:32am