Quote (IceMage @ Jun 26 2022 03:05pm)

I have no idea what that is.

Navarro and Clark are obviously involved in the plot to steal the election. In America, plotting and executing a coup on the incoming administration isn't legitimate political activity, and they may have violated laws, so investigations by the Justice Department are an example of our system working.

Your talking points are just a replay of the major scandals under Trump, whether it's Russiagate, Ukraine, or whatever. Wrongdoing happens, laws may have been violated, institutions like the DOJ, Inspector Generals, and Congress investigate, and the Trump-world spin is that those institutions are actually the corrupt ones. Reality gets flipped on it's head.

The wife of a Supreme Court justice communicating her support for the coup on the incoming administration, while her husband was in a position to potentially influence an electoral outcome if one of the cases ever made it that far, is a big deal. That's the scandal, not the Justice Department looking into it.

Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 26 2022 12:35pm)

Navarro hasn't been accused of any such crime, nor will he, as I think we both know.

When Fast & Furious was playing out, Holder asserted executive privilege. It went before a judge, Holder's argument was thrown out, and he still refused to appear. Holder was held in contempt. But no one thought the proper recourse was to arrest him and toss him in jail. Navarro asserted executive privilege, and the hyper partisan DOJ under Merrick Garland rushed to put him in chains. When you establish a two-track justice system, you end up undermining faith in the institution. The Democratic party has consistently undermined American rule of law since at least 2016.

Quote (sirthom @ 26 Jun 2022 06:05)

Why are prisons not like you say?

Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 26 2022 03:35pm)

Navarro hasn't been accused of any such crime, nor will he, as I think we both know.

When Fast & Furious was playing out, Holder asserted executive privilege. It went before a judge, Holder's argument was thrown out, and he still refused to appear. Holder was held in contempt. But no one thought the proper recourse was to arrest him and toss him in jail. Navarro asserted executive privilege, and the hyper partisan DOJ under Merrick Garland rushed to put him in chains. When you establish a two-track justice system, you end up undermining faith in the institution. The Democratic party has consistently undermined American rule of law since at least 2016.

Quote (IceMage @ Jun 26 2022 04:02pm)

I think there's some notable difference between the two situations.

Barack Obama as president asserted executive privilege. He was president while this situation with Eric Holder happened. Trump is no longer president. Biden has not asserted executive privilege on his behalf. Perhaps former presidents can assert it even after leaving office, but I would argue that him no longer being president, combined with the subject matter(the effort to steal the election), makes this situation different.

Congress needs to be able to investigate, and the Jan. 6th attack is about as legitimate an investigative matter as it gets, so I think DOJ indicting Bannon and Navarro is completely appropriate.

Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 26 2022 04:12pm)

If the question was "if" he could assert executive privilege, then the proper recourse is to put that question before a judge. In Holder's case, though, a judge ruled that executive privilege did not apply. If anything, the situation was far worse, and yet nobody was demanding Holder be thrown in jail.

Quote (IceMage @ Jun 26 2022 01:44pm)

That's up to Trump and/or Navarro to assert, not the Biden Justice Department.

I'm not seeing anything about a judge ruling prior to 2016. I don't have intimate knowledge of the Fast and Furious stuff, but my guess is plenty of right-wingers were calling for him to be jailed.

How is Congress supposed to investigate legitimate matters if people can just refuse to show up, and face no consequences? Congress is already weak enough.

Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 26 2022 12:35pm)

Navarro hasn't been accused of any such crime, nor will he, as I think we both know.

When Fast & Furious was playing out, Holder asserted executive privilege. It went before a judge, Holder's argument was thrown out, and he still refused to appear. Holder was held in contempt. But no one thought the proper recourse was to arrest him and toss him in jail. Navarro asserted executive privilege, and the hyper partisan DOJ under Merrick Garland rushed to put him in chains. When you establish a two-track justice system, you end up undermining faith in the institution. The Democratic party has consistently undermined American rule of law since at least 2016.

Quote (IceMage @ Jun 26 2022 04:44pm)

That's up to Trump and/or Navarro to assert, not the Biden Justice Department.

I'm not seeing anything about a judge ruling prior to 2016. I don't have intimate knowledge of the Fast and Furious stuff, but my guess is plenty of right-wingers were calling for him to be jailed.

How is Congress supposed to investigate legitimate matters if people can just refuse to show up, and face no consequences? Congress is already weak enough.

Quote (thundercock @ Jun 26 2022 04:58pm)

I used to think the same thing. Then I realized that you guys are simply committing more crimes. Just stop committing crimes and you'll be fine!

Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 26 2022 05:02pm)

Navarro did assert executive privilege, and whether or not executive privilege applies is for a judge to decide. That's the world of rules and law that we supposedly live in.

Congress is not charged with the authority to investigate and prosecute crimes. That's the role of the Justice department. I'm not sure anyone believes that Navarro was being summoned with a sincere legislative objective in mind.