Do you know how to dribble?

Confirming what? Nobody is doubting that Trump wanted an investigation, having an investigation into a political figure, which the Biden story sounds sketchy as hell. The investigation sounds entirely legitimate and smells of possible corruption. If Trump uncovers that that is entirely legitimate, it very well could blow up at the Democrats, as you have now made Trump look even better by uncovering a scandal.

Respected people that haven't confirmed anything. I heard from a guy that heard from a guy. That's pretty noncredible. When do you see that type of evidence hold up in courts? That would be easily picked apart by any attorney.

Zero first hand evidence in those testimonies. They never even spoke to Trump.

I've read the transcript, there's a reason there was no outrage when the transcript was released and it washed away. There's nothing in there that stands as any credible evidence.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Nov 14 2019 08:37pm

There is no scandal with that, and any reasonable person could understand that it is a purely only a political tactic to influence public opinion. The exact same thing that some Democrats did with Kavanaugh. "it happens all the time" - So, being a reasonable person, you could trust the investigation that already happened that cleared the Biden's of any wrong doing. Dis asserting that would go against every single Republican argument because they claim clearance by virtue of one report's words as well, think Mueller report.

More people are reasonable than not especially as the president continues to attack American Democracy.

Secondly, I assume you haven't read the transcript, which is the Official White House document that was released for examination as evidence. You should read it, because in that exact transcript the smoking gun is revealed. Since we live in a landscape where politicians and important cases are endorsed only under intense scrutiny; the smoking gun is not enough. What these Democratic representatives (Most of them having practiced law themselves) are doing is corroborating the smoking gun to enforce the legitimacy of that document, by simply asking everyone involved what they know about the situation.

It is incorrect, literally wrong, to refer to these testimonies as smoking gun or the main evidence... Of Course - This is all confirmation and corroboration by non partisan respectful people of what was written directly in the transcript, which is the main evidence so far.

Thirdly, literally every person speaking on the stand ever for any trial ever of all time ever is hearsay to some degree. Republican propaganda getting you plebs to puke out that word and think it actually means anything related to non admissible evidence is entertaining.

Snipa do me a favour and grammar check for me when you wake up. Thanks friend.

This post was edited by Phaggot on Nov 14 2019 09:56pm

soooooo, what happened overall?

Some dudes heard some things but always with degrees of separation from the POTUS. Closest testimony is very credible and damning, but has a degree of separation as it relations to what a diplomat said on the phone with Trump in his presence, which greatly disturbed him....the 400 mil being held up so that a foreign government could dig up dirt for political rival to help 2020 election.

But seriously on Trump's part a very profoundly stupid and illegal thing to do. Especially with all the scrutiny he is under.

Some gullible people are buying his deep that said he is just concerned about corruption in Ukraine, which is pretty funny. Trump has said he doesn't give a shit about Ukraine and it shows in his foreign policy.

As of right now there is nothing to point at directly.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 15 2019 05:24am

Everyone knows that that's a lie. Problem is, it's still 'innocent until proven guilty'. And for a step as drastic as impeachment, we need very concrete and compelling evidence to discard the notion that he wanted to root out corruption.

Which is why I personally think that one part of the testimony from Wednesday was super important and potentially super damaging to Trump: the part where one of the two witnesses said that Trump's team was specifically pushing Zelensky to announce the Burisma investigation on TV and mention the keywords 'Biden', 'Clinton' and 'investigation' with as much publicity as possible. This episode, if it can be corroborated, would be as strong an indication as possible that Trump was driven by personal motives and not by concern about corruption.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 15 2019 06:07am

I was under the impression that we all already knew why Trump wanted Biden investigated, and it obviously wasn't because he's concerned with corruption in the Ukraine.

I really don't know what worse news could possibly come out aside from Trump explicitly acknowledging Biden's innocence and demanding a fraudulent investigation anyway.