The problem is you're still thinking along old imperialist lines. Believe it or not, what we are dealing with today is not an imperialist Russia which seeks dominion over all life on Earth, unlike the elites that control the United States, whom have installed thousands of military bases around the world while propping up puppet dictators in dozens of countries, puppets that are allowed to be as brutal as they wish and kill as many people as they want so long as they align themselves with western interests.

What we are dealing with is a Russia and China which have united, created an inseparable bond and now seek to create a multi-polar world in which international law is the basis for relations between nations and is actually respected and followed rather than blatantly ignored by those whom seek to dominate via force. Oh my gosh, the horror! Nations must actually respect eachother and follow the rules instead of engaging in shady regime change operations and launching wars based on false flag operations! That's so terrible!

The US Pentagon/military industrial complex/political elite consider this an existential threat because it seeks a unipolar world where it dominates quite literally the entire planet on its own and gets to set the rules while at the same time violating those rules whenever it desires. This is clearly not in the overall interest of the human race as a whole, and will only lead to the creation of a world where you are either the dominator or the dominated. This will not be a world worth living in. It's not possible for these two "world orders" to co-exist, and this is the real reason that Biden and his handlers have now provoked a crisis in Ukraine.

The truth is that Ukraine has already doomed itself into oblivion by sacrificing its own national interests to be used as willing pawns to provoke an unnecessary crisis with Russia. Not to mention how it launched an unnecessary war of aggression in the aftermath of the 2014 coup against its own citizens in which it committed countless massacres and war-crimes. To be quite frank, the world should be talking about sanctioning Ukraine for its countless murders of its own nations citizens, and for openly embracing Nazism, instead of sanctioning Russia for standing up for Donbass, a move which is clearly intended to prevent further bloodshed and fratricide, and which by the way is the right thing to do. Or have we forgotten that morality still matters?

No matter what happens, Ukraine will eventually dissolve completely into several smaller states. One will be Donbass/Luhansk. One will be populated and entirely under the control of the fascists responsible for murdering their own people. The other will be populated by those Ukrainians that maybe haven't really taken a side but don't want to be involved in any more war.

Russia isn't going to invade, and I'd bet my life on that. You're ignoring the point which is that the mass media is once again lying about imaginary Russian aggression, imaginary Russian invasions, etc, that it's just another lie being spun by the war machine so that you can engage in some fantasy about Russia once again becoming an empire (which in reality, all the indications are that it has no desire to be at this point.)

I'll take it a step further. You use Russia installing a pro-Russian regime in Mexico as an example. However, this is exactly what the United States has done to Russia... thousands of miles away from their own nation and right on Russia's border, creating an unnecessary but potentially existential threat to the existence of the Russian federation should Ukraine join NATO. Russia has been given quite literally no choice but to defend herself. Would they not be justified, then? By your own admission, even if they did invade? Which they won't, but that's besides the point.

At any rate, my points still stand. Russia does not have the money nor the means to "fix" a broken self-destructed Ukraine, which would be required in the event of an occupation. It would merely drain their coffers while causing a massive political crisis that would lead to the death of Nordstream 2 as well as sanctions that would almost certainly guarantee WW3's inevitability.

Ultimately, the consequences of this crisis land squarely on the feet of those imbeciles whom thought it was a good idea to overthrow Ukraine's government in 2014, and whom have the blood of thousands of innocents on their hands, the blood of all those whom died throughout the civil war in 2014-2015, a war which they provoked.

Every day that they pursue a foreign policy that resolves around total world domination, is a day where the world is brought that much closer to nuclear annihilation. I hate to say it, but with so many people that refuse to acknowledge this reality, perhaps humanity deserves it at this point.

How unfortunate.

They're stockpiled a dozen armies along the Ukrainian border.

why did putin move a LOT of armies there then? it's not like ukraine would ever invade russia lol.

putin wants to annex the pro russian territories from Ukraine.

a weak ‘sovereign’ told putin it’s okay to invade ukraine so long as it’s a “small invasion”, this after beggin him to sell us more oil

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-suggests-russia-no-punishment-minor-ukraine-invasion-wh-clarify-2022-1

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Stares in Crimean.

If you'll recall, Crimea voted to re-join Russia before it was annexed. The vote was something like 90-10%, so it was an overwhelming majority that wanted to join Russia.

It's not hard to see why. At the time, the regime that took Kiev was smack dab in the middle of killing its own people in some of the most brutal ways possible. Footage spread widely on the internet of indiscriminate Ukrainian airstrikes & artillery strikes showing the aftermath of strikes on civilian homes and infrastructure.

I personally watched much of this footage. In one video, a woman was blown in half from an airstrike conducted by a Ukrainian Su-25 jet fighter. Most of her hip and both legs were blown completely off, with her intestines splayed on the ground. However, she was still alive. She held her hand up towards the cameraman, only to take her last breath.

There was also an incident where a bus of pro-Russian Crimeans was stopped by a group of far-right Ukrainian militia. The people were taken off the bus, beat to an inch of their lives, several were killed on the spot, and several more were abducted, never to be heard from again.

After that incident, and after the illegitimate regime started massacring people to maintain power, public opinion in Crimea very much turned against the post-coup regime in Kiev.

Joining Russia was for their own benefit. Otherwise, they would have been ruled by a gang of brutal tyrants that would have held their people at gunpoint and subjected them to extreme oppression. It's not hard to see why this would not be desirable.

Anyway, Crimea is considered the shining jewel of Ukraine. It provides access to vital naval ports in the region. Keeping it was a vital matter for Russia's national security. However, the same is not true for the rest of Ukraine, which is basically one big dump of corruption in comparison.

You mean the actively occupied region voted to join their occupiers? Tell me more

provide some evidence for your claims.

"Some 95.5% of voters in Crimea have supported joining Russia, officials say, after half the votes have been counted in a disputed referendum.

Crimea's leader says he will apply to join Russia on Monday. Russia's Vladimir Putin has said he will respect the Crimean people's wishes.

Many Crimeans loyal to Kiev boycotted the referendum, and the EU and US condemned it as illegal.

Pro-Russian forces took control of Crimea in February.

They moved in after Ukraine's pro-Moscow president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted after street protests."

from the bbc. so it clearly shows that the vote took place after the pro russian regime was already there for one month at least.

Stare all you like. I 100% guarantee any Crimean you ever talk to will be grateful they joined Russia.