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Dec 18 2020 10:56am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 18 2020 08:23am)
Which variables are you controlling that led you to the conclusion that masks mandates are the reason some states are doing worse or better?

Do you even have any data to support this assertion?

I posted a link where if you scroll down you see one of the most heavy-handed lockdown states has exploding cases per 100k while states that don't have these draconian measures don't, so mind explaining the science (hopefully with data rather than personal attacks) that leads you to believe lockdowns or lockdown measures like forcing masks work?


CA has not had lockdowns in place from start to current day..
I bet if you looked at when things opened vs when the rises in cases happened, and then reactionary measures were put back in place it wouldn't seem like witchcraft to you. Adding in delay for infection reporting to hospitalization etc. which is what number most states are now using as the critical metric for lockdown or extra measures.
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What u are missing is mask mandates work when the whole population follows suit. Even in cali as liberal as it is , 30% of the population remains anti mask

Their effectiveness in preventing droplet spread is already well documented even prior to covid

Wisconsin /MI have mask “mandates” and half the people where masks. If u enforce mandates people will cry naziism

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Dec 18 2020 11:01am
Quote (Bazi @ Dec 18 2020 10:56am)
What u are missing is mask mandates work when the whole population follows suit. Even in cali as liberal as it is , 30% of the population remains anti mask

Their effectiveness in preventing droplet spread is already well documented even prior to covid

Wisconsin /MI have mask “mandates” and half the people where masks. If u enforce mandates people will cry naziism


Stop using evidence to form opinions you Nazi. My cherry picked data shows masks dont work!
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Dec 18 2020 11:05am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Dec 18 2020 11:56am)
CA has not had lockdowns in place from start to current day..
I bet if you looked at when things opened vs when the rises in cases happened, and then reactionary measures were put back in place it wouldn't seem like witchcraft to you. Adding in delay for infection reporting to hospitalization etc. which is what number most states are now using as the critical metric for lockdown or extra measures.


Dude what are you talking about. CA has very strong measures. The San Francisco 49rs have been playing in Arizona for weeks now because Cali basically said that an NFL game with just the players and the staff and no one in the stands is too risky.



Quote (Bazi @ Dec 18 2020 11:56am)
What u are missing is mask mandates work when the whole population follows suit. Even in cali as liberal as it is , 30% of the population remains anti mask

Their effectiveness in preventing droplet spread is already well documented even prior to covid

Wisconsin /MI have mask “mandates” and halfte the people where masks. If u enforce mandates people will cry naziism


Let's assume that's correct. The problem is the whole population never follows suit so why implement something you know will fail and not only fail but take the economy down with it in the process?
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Dude what are you talking about. CA has very strong measures. The San Francisco 49rs have been playing in Arizona for weeks now because Cali basically said that an NFL game with just the players and the staff and no one in the stands is too risky.





Let's assume that's correct. The problem is the whole population never follows suit so why implement something you know will fail and not only fail but take the economy down with it in the process?


Ill state what another post was about.
Re read my post.. Slowly
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Let's assume that's correct. The problem is the whole population never follows suit so why implement something you know will fail and not only fail but take the economy down with it in the process?


Mask mandates don't kill the economy

We would have higher compliance if Republicans didn't actively undermine the publics trust in them.

Worst reading comprehension on the forum.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 18 2020 11:07am
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 18 2020 11:05am)
Dude what are you talking about. CA has very strong measures. The San Francisco 49rs have been playing in Arizona for weeks now because Cali basically said that an NFL game with just the players and the staff and no one in the stands is too risky.





Let's assume that's correct. The problem is the whole population never follows suit so why implement something you know will fail and not only fail but take the economy down with it in the process?


Well ideally you plan for success. It would not have been extraordinarily difficult for America to follow suite.

Why did mandates fall? Because something as trivial as mask wearing was politicized for no reason?

This is the wrong approach imo. I think the American public should have been properly educated, they then would have been loyal to do the right thing. Could have played it as fuck China look what they did, Americans band together and don’t let them beat us , instead of “this is fake and nbd”

Half ass health measures. Half ass financial measures. Economy was destined to go down regardless of what the mask policy was.

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Quote (theCrossbones @ Dec 18 2020 12:06pm)
Ill state what another post was about.
Re read my post.. Slowly


No one has had lockdowns from the start so what's the point of pointing that out?

You saying I bet something to be the case isn't an argument based on facts. Post the graphs or sources to support your assertion. We're not seeing an uptick in Covid cases because of openings, we're seeing it because it's flu season.
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Dec 18 2020 11:24am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 18 2020 12:07pm)
Mask mandates don't kill the economy

We would have higher compliance if Republicans didn't actively undermine the publics trust in them.

Worst reading comprehension on the forum.


Mask mandates or lack of them isn't the reason COVID spread around the world. So to point to mask-wearing as the reason is retarded, and not even supported by data.


Quote (Bazi @ Dec 18 2020 12:09pm)
Well ideally you plan for success. It would not have been extraordinarily difficult for America to follow suite.

Why did mandates fall? Because something as trivial as mask wearing was politicized for no reason?

This is the wrong approach imo. I think the American public should have been properly educated, they then would have been loyal to do the right thing. Could have played it as fuck China look what they did, Americans band together and don’t let them beat us , instead of “this is fake and nbd”

Half ass health measures. Half ass financial measures. Economy was destined to go down regardless of what the mask policy was.


Or it could be the fact that mandates were a blunt tool and never would have actually worked and now we're Monday morning qbing and saying the reason we're in the state we are is that not everyone followed the mandate.

It's like a campaign to stop the flu from happening. Some things are outside of human control no matter how hard we try. A virus with the R0 of Covid was never going to be stopped once it got out and imo it's foolish to assume that the fact it's continuing is because we didn't freeze enough of society in place for 9 months.
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Dec 18 2020 11:25am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 18 2020 11:12am)
No one has had lockdowns from the start so what's the point of pointing that out?

You saying I bet something to be the case isn't an argument based on facts. Post the graphs or sources to support your assertion. We're not seeing an uptick in Covid cases because of openings, we're seeing it because it's flu season.


There can be more than one thing that increases cases.

You're going out of your way to choose one thing and assign 100% blame on it. You are not mentally equipped to analyse more than one variable at a time. Never have been even before covid.
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