Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 17 2020 12:23am)

It probably does have the most left system, but it's also got the best system.

So I don't really agree that it would make "most Europeans raise an eyebrow" to try to emulate the best system in the world.

It's also important to note that if you tried introducing any number of American systems to any country in Europe they'd be like "Are you fucking retarded? That system would never work", so, like, our current system is like a European ripping their eyebrow off and putting it on an elevator.

Quote (thundercock @ Sep 17 2020 02:37am)

Is it the best system? By what metric? https://fr.april-international.com/en/healthcare-expatriates/which-countries-have-best-healthcare-systems

It seems somewhat subjective and when it comes to implementing something in America, we should keep all options open (including the British system). I've always felt that the German/Dutch system would work best in this country.

Quote (thundercock @ 17 Sep 2020 09:37)

Is it the best system? By what metric? https://fr.april-international.com/en/healthcare-expatriates/which-countries-have-best-healthcare-systems

It seems somewhat subjective and when it comes to implementing something in America, we should keep all options open (including the British system). I've always felt that the German/Dutch system would work best in this country.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 17 2020 02:52am)

What's best will depend on your metric, but the real important thing is that their system is very good.

Maybe another system would work best here, but I don't think a medicare for all system wouldn't work here. At least, it's almost certain to be better than what we have now, since what we have now basically grabs the worst of all systems.

Quote (fender @ Sep 16 2020 12:54pm)

inb4 'the same thing will happen in america if we protect workers' rights, have universal healthcare, hold corporations accountable for their destruction of our planet, and make rich people pay a fair amount of taxes...' - because that's the whole point of the fear-mongering about 'socialism / communism': protect the profits of the rich and scare the working class into considering their exploitation as necessary sacrifice.

that said, fuck the CCP and that whole authoritarian government.

Quote (RedFromWinter @ Sep 17 2020 07:24am)

We will never have a system capable of handling a pandemic in the US under a private capitalist(ish) model. Unless we surplus and maintain equipment like we do with military equipment, we just don't have means to emergency ramp up, nor the legal grounds to take immediate action such as banning interstate travels. Don't count on our health institutions surplusing, they didn't even have enough PPE for their own workers.

We have a poorly run private health care industry hanging on by welfare.

Quote (thundercock @ 17 Sep 2020 01:45)

Bernie
-A wealth tax which only exists in 4 European countries. Sanders would have higher rates (1-8% sliding scale) than any other European country
-Most first world countries have a multi-payer system. Even in single-payer systems, those are typically administered by the states/provinces. Bernie wants to federalize it completely.
-Supports corporate tax rates that are higher than anywhere else in Europe
-Tuition free college at all levels. This would be the equivalent of people who graduate your "Hauptschule" going to University. Obviously that's inefficient from your perspective but we don't herd our children into groups.
-Financial transaction tax (few European countries have this). His rate (0.5% on stock) would be significantly higher than what I've seen.
-Supports worker owned cooperatives

AOC (Has all of Bernie's proposals PLUS)
-Subscribes to Modern Monetary Theory which is extremely radical by European standards
-Significantly increased immigration caps and abolition of ICE. ICE handles internal immigration affairs and CBP handles the border. Again, this is extremely radical.
-Has unrealistic approaches to Green energy. I think once she has more years under her belt, she'll come up with something more realistic but I don't think any mainstream Green party in Europe (ones that have seats) have proposals like hers.

From what I've seen, I think Bernie would be on the left side of SPD. AOC would most certainly be in Die Linke

Quote (fender @ Sep 17 2020 09:55am)

you should have spent just a minute more on wikipedia. the SPD is the oldest and largest (by membership) party in germany - not sure how that's 'eyebrow-raising', let alone 'radical'...
to act like bernie's and AOC's politics are more insane to a european than your current system is ridiculous.