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Jun 16 2023 02:09am
Quote (TheRealTruth @ Jun 15 2023 11:07pm)
Yes scotland is very known for nazi sympathy, they send Ukraine tanks like other nato regimes with England, Ireland Wales


I guess your right, here's the entire English national team giving a nazi salute I'm front of 110,000 people



Not a great look for the less well endowed inhabitants of the southern UK.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jun 16 2023 02:09am
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Jun 16 2023 02:22am
I watched a video on telegram don't think I could share it here.
Basically showed blown apart Ukrainians begging for death.
One guy had his jaw blown off.
Another had his entire thigh blown open, Russian did his best to put on a turnakit but my god. Had to stop watching after that.

I'm disgusted my tax dollars from Canada 8 billion so far are funding the destruction of Ukraine's men. What the fuck are we doing?
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Jun 16 2023 04:28am
Quote (squ1rr7y @ Jun 16 2023 09:22am)
I watched a video on telegram don't think I could share it here.
Basically showed blown apart Ukrainians begging for death.
One guy had his jaw blown off.
Another had his entire thigh blown open, Russian did his best to put on a turnakit but my god. Had to stop watching after that.

I'm disgusted my tax dollars from Canada 8 billion so far are funding the destruction of Ukraine's men. What the fuck are we doing?


Not sure where you got 8 billion from, but maybe you have more information than the Canadian government
websitehttps://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/campaigns/canadian-military-support-to-ukraine.html

I think I've watched the video your describing and its from the perspective of the Ukrainian medic. Those guys got hit by artillery. Both soldiers did survive.

War is hell. Sending your tax dollars is a tough decision. We can all see areas in our own countries that could use those tax dollars. But in perspective its a small sacrifice compared to what Ukrainians are enduring as a consequence of Russians war of aggression.

I would ask you or anyone to suggest a realistic alternative? Because if their answer is appeasement I'd direct them to the appeasement that took place in the 1930's and what transpired after that.

We have idiots in this sub forum that think appeasing Russia is a path of least resistance, those posters have been proven to be fools by their own lack of integrity.
They know who they are.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jun 16 2023 04:29am
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Jun 16 2023 06:17am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jun 16 2023 07:28am)
Not sure where you got 8 billion from, but maybe you have more information than the Canadian government
websitehttps://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/campaigns/canadian-military-support-to-ukraine.html

I think I've watched the video your describing and its from the perspective of the Ukrainian medic. Those guys got hit by artillery. Both soldiers did survive.

War is hell. Sending your tax dollars is a tough decision. We can all see areas in our own countries that could use those tax dollars. But in perspective its a small sacrifice compared to what Ukrainians are enduring as a consequence of Russians war of aggression.

I would ask you or anyone to suggest a realistic alternative? Because if their answer is appeasement I'd direct them to the appeasement that took place in the 1930's and what transpired after that.

We have idiots in this sub forum that think appeasing Russia is a path of least resistance, those posters have been proven to be fools by their own lack of integrity.
They know who they are.


Here you go, did you even look?

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Since the beginning of 2022, Canada has committed over $8 billion in direct financial, military, humanitarian, and other assistance to Ukraine.


https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2023/04/defence-minister-anita-anand-announces-approximately-39-million-military-aid-package-for-ukraine.html

It is amazing that you can maintain this cocky attitude when you are constantly wrong about pretty much everything. At least it is funny though.
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Jun 16 2023 06:21am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jun 16 2023 01:17pm)
Here you go, did you even look?



https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2023/04/defence-minister-anita-anand-announces-approximately-39-million-military-aid-package-for-ukraine.html

It is amazing that you can maintain this cocky attitude when you are constantly wrong about pretty much everything. At least it is funny though.


Thats a different page, and yes thats correct. 8 billion canadian? What is that in gbp like 6 pounds 50 pence? Its a good deal :thumbsup:

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jun 16 2023 09:21am)
Thats a different page, and yes thats correct. 8 billion canadian? What is that in gbp like 6 pounds 50 pence? Its a good deal :thumbsup:


It took me like 10 seconds to find it lol, it is weird you haven't learned to at least hear people out before laying on the reddit snark, to save yourself the embarrassment if nothing else.

And about 4.7 Billion GBP, which took even less time to find out, do you know about Google? Is that a thing in the UK?
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Jun 16 2023 06:34am
From Geopolitic's.com (jan 2023).

With the Russian Invasion of Ukraine, there have been grievances over the amount of aid the United States has sent to the country. Some of the grievances are legitimate, but many of them are caused by disinformation, such as calling aid to the embattled nation as a “money laundering scheme.” As President Biden signed a Lend Lease Act for Ukraine, nothing Kyiv will get is for free. Here is how the Lend-Lease works and why it is in our national security interest to enhance Ukraine’s security. In the wake of Russian offensives and the unwillingness of Vladimir Putin to stop the onslaught, both chambers of Congress and President Joe Biden ratified the Ukrainian Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act this past spring. This provision allows military aid to Kyiv for as long as it takes to repel Moscow’s onslaught from the occupied territories defined by the 1991 post-Soviet independence borders. The bill was officially signed by President Biden on May 9th, 2022–which ironically is the day Russia celebrates Victory Day of WWII, signifying to Putin that this time, he is the one on the wrong side of history.

The Ukrainian Lend-Lease is akin to the World War II era bill, which enabled allied nations, such as Britain and the Soviet Union to receive necessary equipment to defeat the axis. The WWII bill stated that the United States could lend or lease military equipment to any nation in which their defense is vital for American national security. With both Japan and Germany declared war on the U.S. first, it was necessary to bolster the British, Soviets, Chinese, and Free French. With Russia as our second biggest geopolitical rival, with a president who has openly stated he aims to reconquer territories of Peter the Great and destabilize our alliances, the Lend-Lease was effectively justified for Ukraine. This was further solidified when Yevgeny Prigozhin, the CEO of Wagner openly stated he would continue to interfere in American elections at the behest of Russian interests.

The British would receive more than fifty destroyers near decommissioned for a near century’s lease. Akin to then, Ukraine has also received outdated weaponry that has collected dust for several decades to fight against the Russian invasion. The HIMARS and Javelin systems were produced in the early nineties, and compared to allies of WWII, Ukraine currently has restrictions on the older Abrams, ATACMS, F15s, F16s and the MiG 29s, which were offered for transfer when Washington vetoed. With Europe lagging in production and independent security, as the PM of Finland recently stated during its decades of relative peace, Moscow has been preparing for its all-out assault in Ukraine. Akin to the present, former Secretary of War, Henry Stimson warned the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about Germany’s years of buildup while allied forces were caught off guard. “By our delay during the past six years, while Germany was preparing, we found ourselves unprepared and unarmed, facing a thoroughly prepared and armed potential enemy” said Stimson in 1941.

The Lend-Lease is also required to be paid back, either through monetary means or the use of American contractors to help reconstruct a country, stimulating the loans back into the U.S. economy. For example, it took Britain and Russia several decades to pay back their lease. Both repaid in full in 2006. Even with the large sums of financial assistance to Kyiv, the military aid has primarily come through weapons and not monetary transactions. There are currently a small contingent of American forces in Ukraine acting as weapons inspectors that have verified that there has not been black market trafficking of weapons. Russian agents have been caught by the FBI attempting to steal and black market our own weaponry at the behest of the FSB.

Overall aid to Ukraine accounted for less than 5% of the U.S defense budget, which operates differently from the infrastructure and healthcare budgets. During the same period of the passage of the lease, a $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill was passed along with a $300 billion Climate Change Bill and a major push by the White House to cancel student debt up to $20,000. As the U.S., UK, and Poland have led the forefront of military aid to Ukraine, all three nations will have contract preference for reconstructing the country after the war is over. It could be argued that there would be no need for American military aid had it not been for US policies post-USSR collapse that disarmed Ukraine. In the Budapest Memorandum, Kyiv was forced to give up the world’s third largest nuclear stockpile by the US, Russia and UK in return for territorial integrity and sovereignty. It was recently revealed that Russia is using the same long range missiles Ukraine gave up to bomb the country, showing a failure of American foreign policy when it comes to appeasement of good faith negotiations with Russia. The Lend-Lease has not gone to waste, as Russia has suffered over 100,000 military casualties, continues to be pushed back from occupied territories, and the Kremlin faces economic hardship with sanctions finally starting to feel its effects, forcing the country to allocate into a wartime economy that cannot sustain.

The support for Ukraine has also functioned as a deterrence not just in Eastern Europe but also in Southeast Asia. As Japan and Taiwan are the most important strategic allies in the Pacific with mutual defense pacts with Washington, our top geopolitical rival China has reassessed a potential invasion of Taiwan, seeing the rapid response America gave to Ukraine. Not only will the military aid to Ukraine be eventually paid off but combating our historically second biggest rival without a single U.S troop being killed is an investment into enhanced security for our allies. Even with an isolationist push within some in the political sector, it is important to supplement our European allies, as seen in 2022, most of them were unprepared for a conflict without American assistance. The renewed Lend-Lease gives us the opportunity to bolster a future regional military power in Ukraine, which makes the European continent less reliant on U.S. aid in the future.

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As I understand it, it was only in 2020 that Britain paid back the WW2 lease to the US.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 16 2023 06:37am
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Jun 16 2023 06:36am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jun 16 2023 01:33pm)
It took me like 10 seconds to find it lol, it is weird you haven't learned to at least hear people out before laying on the reddit snark, to save yourself the embarrassment if nothing else.

And about 4.7 Billion GBP, which took even less time to find out, do you know about Google? Is that a thing in the UK?


It was a joke about Canadian dollars. Clearly went over your head.

4.7 billion GBP? Probably couldn't get a grocery shop for that in Alberta.

Suck it up Canada jesus christ.
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