Quote (ferdia @ Feb 20 2023 12:44pm)

From a Pro American Stand Point:

In the run up to the war there was a concern that Germany and Western Europe's resolve in supporting Ukraine would be put to the test if Russia "Weaponised" Energy. i.e. Russian gas is cheap, and Russia could simply blackmail europe into doing things europe would otherwise not do. Something like : "stop encroaching on us / stop supporting Ukraine / No Nato expansion". The Nord Stream 2 Pipeline should never have been built as it strengthed the dependance Europe would have on co-operating with Russia. This is not in US Interests, and from a US standpoint, is not in EU interests noting Russia and Putin are viewed with hostility.

Therefore, on balance of the evidence, cause and effect, etc, it is my view that the US blew up the Nord Stream 2 in order to firm European resolve to not negotiate or bow to Russian aggression. Ultimalty Ukraine is a soverign state and should be included in conversations re: Europe and it ill becomes Europe to in any way tacitly support Ukraine's destruction / partition, at the hands of Russia, therefore EU countries should (a) not have allowed this thing to be built in the first place and (b) not complain when the US blows it up and (c) If they still complain the US can give them some busines to make up for the loss.

Ultimately Russia has invaded Ukraine, this is not a special operation, it is a war, even though they still call it a special operation. It has been proven that Russia has commited war crimes and we do not know how far Putin will take this war. Will he attack other countries ? certainly he will undermine elections throughout Europe as he has done already for decades. We do not believe he will attack a Nato country and therefore it is recommended that more countries join Nato / or aspire to join Nato, ASAP.

there, how am I doing?

Quote (TheTruthNews @ Jun 15 2023 08:03pm)

Budanov has die
Russia destroy almost all leopard in Zaporozia region and soon start counteroffenceu

Quote (fender @ Jun 15 2023 08:06pm)

sorry to interrupt your little circle jerk of whataboutisms concerning US foreign policy failures and crimes - but you're just proving my point that murdering tens of thousands is by no means "inevitable".

whatever real or perceived grievances russia had, NONE of them justify their escalation that killed and destroyed so many innocent lives. even if we just accepted all the idiotic and transparent excuses (US meddling - after decades of russian puppets leading ukraine / shelling certain border regions - after russian unmarked troops instigated conflicts / ukrainian neo-nazis - a small amount compared with russian neo-nazis...), it STILL does not give pootin any legitimate reason, let alone moral right, to start a war trying to conquer a country.

all your silly deflection attempts, pointing at the bloody fucking neo-cons across the pond, doesn't magically absolve pootin of his crimes.

that said, read a fucking history book, you absolute dolts. your understanding of syria in particular is mind-numbingly bad.

Quote (fender @ Jun 15 2023 04:38pm)

you're dodging the question, ampootin. what exactly would have happened to russia had they not invaded ukraine and started killing tens of thousands of innocent ukrainians as well as their own youth and future? why was simply NOT going to war not an alternative?

do you just not know what "inevitable" means? "geopolitics" is not a casus belli, it's a pathetic attempt of an excuse by people who fundamentally don't understand what it means. the US invading iraq was not "inevitable". 9/11 was not "inevitable". you can find motivations and explanations for why those things happened, and you can agree or disagree with them, but to call something "inevitable" is just a trying to make excuses for those responsible - people with a lot of power making life and death decision.

really silly excuses, ampootin. imagine constantly trying to justify the warmongering of a murderous dictator. disgusting...

Quote (TheTruthNews @ Jun 15 2023 03:03pm)

Budanov has die
Russia destroy almost all leopard in Zaporozia region and soon start counteroffenceu

Quote (TheTruthNews @ Jun 15 2023 03:07pm)

Ukraine has lie about offence it lose all regiment in defence of Artemovsk

Russian loss of total war - 21,000 total warriors
Ukraine 404 loss - 427,892 warriors and 854,330 civilian

Ukraine to loss in 3 month its confirmed

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 20 2023 01:06pm)

Is there actual evidence though?
Or anecdotal evidence?

Quote (ferdia @ Feb 20 2023 01:21pm)

The US strongly denies any involvement in this act and this position will never change, noting that if the US had been involved in any way, several international laws would have been broken and the president would be impeached. Therefore while many books will be written about it ~

Executive Order 13526 establishes the mechanisms for most declassifications, within the laws passed by Congress. The originating agency assigns a declassification date, by default 10 years. After 25 years, declassification review is automatic with nine narrow exceptions that allow information to remain as classified. At 50 years, there are two exceptions, and classifications beyond 75 years require special permission. Because of changes in policy and circumstances, agencies are expected to actively review documents that have been classified for fewer than 25 years. They must also respond to Mandatory Declassification Review and Freedom of Information Act requests. The National Archives and Records Administration houses the National Declassification Center to coordinate reviews and Information Security Oversight Office to promulgate rules and enforce quality measures across all agencies. NARA reviews documents on behalf of defunct agencies and permanently stores declassified documents for public inspection. The Interagency Security Classification Appeals Panel has representatives from several agencies.

see you in 75 years.

https://i.imgur.com/l2KqNrQ.png

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 20 2023 02:10pm)

So... no?

While the narrative your pushing I agree does make sense.
There is no definitive proof available.

Quote (TheTruthNews @ Jun 15 2023 07:07pm)

Ukraine has lie about offence it lose all regiment in defence of Artemovsk

Russian loss of total war - 21,000 total warriors
Ukraine 404 loss - 427,892 warriors and 854,330 civilian

Ukraine to loss in 3 month its confirmed

Quote (babun1024 @ 15 Jun 2023 20:06)

Bullshit


I wasn't doing any whataboutism. You were the one who said those interventions were inevitable. Take it like a man when you're wrong.

Quote (fender @ 15 Jun 2023 16:38)

you're dodging the question, ampootin. what exactly would have happened to russia had they not invaded ukraine and started killing tens of thousands of innocent ukrainians as well as their own youth and future? why was simply NOT going to war not an alternative?

do you just not know what "inevitable" means? "geopolitics" is not a casus belli, it's a pathetic attempt of an excuse by people who fundamentally don't understand what it means. the US invading iraq was not "inevitable". 9/11 was not "inevitable". you can find motivations and explanations for why those things happened, and you can agree or disagree with them, but to call something "inevitable" is just a trying to make excuses for those responsible - people with a lot of power making life and death decision.

really silly excuses, ampootin. imagine constantly trying to justify the warmongering of a murderous dictator. disgusting...

Quote (Djunior @ 15 Jun 2023 17:59)

From your own source
Meaning their is NO official report, you're claiming official report --> wrong. Therefor this can only be called a distraction, nothing more ;)
Now consider that a Russian call in the UN for an official investigation was blocked- Why?
Denmark, Sweden and Germany have withheld information about the NS blasts. Why?
Recently news came out that Western intelligence agencies knew of detailed Ukrainian plans to blow up the pipelines and Ukraine had good reason to do that
And you still try to convince us that it was Russia blowing up their own pipelines...