Your solution sounds... final. There's a lot to unpack here, and I can't say I'm willing to put in the few minutes of my time that it would take.

You are clearly supporting Ruscim as a solution, since Russia would proceed again the same kind of hybrid agression it did toward Ukraine and nearby countries.
Beyond this non-sense I would like to teach you something today, related to the 2014 "coup" like you said:

It wasn't a coup, the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from office by 328 to 0 (about 73% of the parliament's 450 members). It was a constitutional vote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
Yep, this is what happen when you start to parrot the whole anti-all speech you read or watch on social media. Enabling fascism.

- why does russia not have to apologise for their meddling with ukrainian politics, the decades of kremlin puppets leading and holding back the country? what about the kremlin sabotaging already agreed upon economic agreements through yanukovych?
- why would you give crimea to russia? why would you reward their military aggression? are you really such a warmonger? crimea is ukrainian territory. the whole world, including russia, acknowledged that back in the nineties, after the soviet union collapsed and ukraine became independent.
- why doesn't russia have to apologise for that invasion, and give crimea back? why don't they have to apologise for the invasion of donbas by little green men, for instigating a civil war in order to create an excuse for another invasion.
- what about the ethnic cleansing russia is doing in crimea to make it appear more russian? why would you reward ethnic cleansings?!
- why does ukraine not get to decide its own future, its own alliances? do you not consider them to be a sovereign nation after all? why do you consider ukrainians inferior people? should the brits be able to determine who the irish can ally with? why are you such a hypocrite?

in short, why is your "peace plan" so biased in favour of russia? oh right, we all know why...

American kryptonite, a couple paragraphs with no pictures.

Russia is the aggressor. They have between 5 and 7 times more men, they fire between 5 and 10 times as much artillery and Ukrainians are running out. even if its 1:1 ratio, there are simply more Russians. Russia is also beside Ukraine and can mobilize more men. The US is on the far side of the planet and up till now has refused to send troops to Ukraine. Ditto for Nato. Ukraine has asked for long range missiles from day one to strike directly at Russia. That is what Ukraine needs to tell Russia to F off out of Ukraine. The US and its Nato allies have refused to do this. If you want to blame anyone, blame those governments for not giving Ukraine what it needs and doing this war of attrition shit that is simply wrecking ukraine with this false hope while western companies are literally hoovering up Ukrainian national resources. Doing this counter offensive makes little sense to me. It looks to me that Ukraine is desperate. I would have instead thought that they hold the line, get more support from Nato and only then push when they have all the cards (they dont have many cards at the moment in my opinion). From a logical standpoint and from reading/viewing the relevant material, Russia gets defenders advantage in the current counter attack scenario and therefore all that is happening is both sides losing more men, without a clear winner. In this scenario Russia wins (because they have more men).

If the US wanted peace tomorrow they would tell Ukrainian to make a deal with Russia. Thats not going to happen. perhaps a new US president can and will do that, perhaps not. Trump won't be president, Biden will stay the course and god knows what some other president will do. If the US did change its policy, wait scrap that, by all accounts the US will not change its policy.

Therefore the only way this war will end is on the battle field, when one side, beats the other. Unfortunately, its a numbers game and in that scenario Russia wins. I dont see them destroying all of Ukraine (unless they are forced to by repeated war) or doing regime change in ukraine (pointless now all of ukraine is behind zelensky) therefore the current ukrainian plan to take as much land back as possible and then look for peace is a Hail Mary. if Russia does accept Ukrainian gains and gives up most of what it has stolen it could be an end to the current conflict but then, as Ukraine already said, they will just go back to war with Russia a few years later when they move to take crimea.

ERGO, there will be no lasting peace for a while.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 14 2023 07:01pm

i am still a free market capitalist, the exact opposite of REEEEEE nazi

sweetheart, like in any other proxy war the goal is endless war to weaken the enemy and to let the military industrial complex cash in

like i said so many times, somebody actually interested in peace would have stopped the madness before the actual invasion

both the west and putin btw, plenty of people warned since 2014 that an escalation will happen

like a good npc/bot you repeat the "if pooootin withdrew tomorrow" nonsense from tv when good parts of the contested territory have been occupied for like 9 years now

if, if, if......you could also say IF with some common sense washington gives putin some worthless dirt in the donbass and locks the rest of ukraine in for a permanent stalemate the war could end tomorrow

ukranian farmerboys are nazi style recruited and torn into bits over globalist interests and to make people like you feel right

why arent you volunteering you little selensky cheerleader? they need guys for the ENDSIEG

bahaha. you were one of the kremlin bots who claimed that russia would never launch a war in the first place, that it was all just US propaganda and fearmongering, and that pootin wouldn't be that dumb. so for you to now act like this escalation was inevitable is pretty fucking rich...

also, territory doesn't magically become yours if you just occupy it long enough and commit ethnic cleansings in order to bolster your illegitimate claim. crimea is ukrainian territory. the soviet union doesn't exist anymore.
had ukraine agreed to a referendum before the russians started their invasion and subsequent resettlement program, and had crimea overwhelmingly decided to join russia, i would have supported their right to self-determination and argued in favour of the region joining russia. that didn't happen though. military invasions based on bogus concerns over conflicts you instigated yourself, followed by fake referendums, are no legitimate form of acquiring foreign territory though.

women, children, and "farmerboys" are not being killed over "globalist interests", but over one tiny dictator's blind ambition to create some kind of legacy. "the globalists" did not start the war, pootin did.

of course there is war profiteering going on, on all sides - and it's absolutely disgusting that people enrich themselves through the death of others. obviously there are plenty of elements in the "defence" industry and politics, who absolutely love every kind of military conflict, no matter the human suffering it causes, because it makes them filthy rich.
but again: pootin could easily end this war tomorrow by simply withdrawing from ukrainian territory, and there is NOTHING those disgusting war merchants could do. the fighting would stop, and russia wouldn't have lost a square inch of their own territory.

you know that, but you WANT russia to succeed with their war of aggression. you WANT them to keep the territory they invaded, that's why you reject the only reasonable solution (immediate stop of military actions, both countries going back to their internationally recognised borders), and advocate for something that rewards warmongering (giving pootin the land he covets, so he can consolidate, modernise his military and recruit new troops, and invade again in a few years).

keep licking dictator boot, brownshirt.

Hello

- "4chan" alt right speech level
- Time travel superpowers up to reestablish Ussr ?
- 2014 : Russia use militias to invade Ukraine territories
- Ukraine is very differennt than 9 or 8 years ago, now it can defend itself
- If you were smart or honest you should know that Putin want Kyiv
- There are more fascists in Russia than anywhere else
- Wagner needs you, the appeal for this shovel, it's hot

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jun 15 2023 02:27am

None of those quotes include personal attacks. I am deriding your position. Which is congratulating thie posters that support genocide; And your own oversimplied trash narrative that blames the west for everything from the war in Ukraine to it raining on your barbecue.

You know this yet you hide behind falsely accusing us of attacking you.

Your crying about personal attacks while none are taking place. Your fake position of neutrality has been burst multiple times and quite frankly made you look foolish.

Dry your eyes and stop sympathising with a genocide; then you won't be derided for that.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jun 15 2023 02:51am

What utter drivel.

Seymour Hersh just reported that the US also blew up his Ferrari, so can that be included in the "peace deal"?

I mean you'll believe anything he says right? Because it fits your false narrative.

Anything else the west should apologize for? Heard you stubbed your toe yesterday. Clearly NATO and Joe Biden were plotting that for decades.
Had nothing to do with the FSB entering your home and moving your furniture though right?

Take of the fucking tinfoil hat and realise who is causing this war.
For months 1 person could have ended the war. Now its out of his hands as Russian troops get smashed and surrender en masse, so you'll just have to suck that up and stop crying over a pipe dream peace deal.