Still haven't gotten over what they did to grandpa huh?

It's alright man, post through the pain, we are all here for you.

Imagine believing that opposing genocide is progressive. You are utterly fucked man, damaged goods.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jun 6 2023 02:46pm

Please use more appropriate language, this is a family thread.

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Jun 6 2023 02:53pm

I'm not surprised Putin is getting more evil every year with his age progressing and it will only get worse.
Unfortunately he got some nice PR from people who will make propaganda for him for money. He also has some influence on USA elections, as well as some friends in China, North Korea, Iran and others not cool countries.

Russia was almost always evil, ok? Exception is Gorbaczev and Jelcyn, these guys tried to make Russia a better country, but they failed and in the end Jelcyn made Putin the Emperor.
Russia was for a long time occupying people in Ukraine, Poland, Baltics etc.
Just as the white people used to own Black people.
Basically what you are saying "Hey these Black people were slaves in XIX century, so white people have now rights over them as this is historically justified".
Not only its immoral to have slaves, but also USSR collapsed, countries escaped Russia, there is no conquering them back justifable after 30+ years.
30+ years is a whole generation of people, who were the free people, not the slaves.
If you allow reverting back history 30+ years, the next step is history from Napoleon times, because why not?

This post was edited by Ironfister on Jun 6 2023 03:18pm

No evidence either way for the dam, but it probably was Russia because the specific timing mostly favors Russia, but its hardly enough to say conclusively, so its inconclusive.
Significant evidence the US blew up NS, with Hersh's expose and the simple logic of it being NATO patrolled waters with means and opportunity, and Russia had no benefit and all downside, so its obviously Biden did it.
Maybe we'll get more revelations about this dam being blown up in the future and get to form better analysis, that's how the news works.

ukraine literally talked about simulating an attack on the dam

the pictures look more like demolition to me, but who knows

NordStream:

Investigation and logic are saying otherwise imho:
It happened after Ukraine took back East Khariv area, Russia was in difficult position:

- I think half of the budget for this pipeline construction was not russian.
- Allowed Russia to act as a victim and to justify mobilization with propaganda.
- Before winter: to pressure Eu countries to slow down assistance/support.
- To spread doubt and to divide allies in between UK, US, EU
- Official investigation lastet results; Denmark, Germany, spotted a russian submarine & support boat in the area.
- Hersh lost his credit since years, Syria war, wiki is useful.

For the Dam:

We will have more info later, yet it seems Russians filled it to unprecedented levels just before blowing it up to slow down offensive, while US is releasing intel documents about it.
Saying it could be Ukraine is a big stretch: To put lives of thousands people at risks and ALSO to keep this secret for ever ? If discovered or revealed their whole lives would be destroyed post war.
And doing this operation in enemy occupied territory... Nope. Much more a russian decision. Scorched earth but with flood brilliant tactic.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jun 6 2023 06:13pm

Lets talk about NS 1 last time

Biden: We will end nordstream
Meanwhile: Russia did it
Poland: US did it
Meanwhile: Russia did it
Germany: Probably "pro-ukranians" did it, zero evidence russia did it
Meanwhile: Russia did it
Hersh: Uk/US did it
Meanwhile: Russia did it
US intelligence: "pro" ukranians did it
Meanwhile: Russia did it

You realise, you are the only one still saying russia did it? Literally not a single country is blaming Russia. Even Russian adversaries are blaming each other.

Woman roleplayers lel

This post was edited by ownyaah on Jun 6 2023 11:00pm

the amount of copium he/she inject into shimself is on a level not seen by mankind.

No evidence either way. Motive is not proof of guilt. A lack of evidence is not proof of innocence.

Anyone can have an opinion but framing events without any evidence is false.

Stone cold steve Austin blew up NS2. I can't prove it, but you all have to accept that it's true.

See how that doesn't work?