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Aug 25 2020 09:57pm
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https://www.fox9.com/news/court-filings-medical-examiner-thought-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-system
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/medical-examiner-george-floyd-may-have-had-a-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298403284416249856/photo/1

New documents from the court filings in the George Floyd officer cases show that the Medical Examiner openly stated in emails that George Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system and his death would be classified as an overdose in normal circumstances:

https://i.imgur.com/fUt9V8A.png

"{Andrew Baker, the hennepin county medical examiner who conducted George Floyd's autopsy} said that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death."


Why do you keep on with this BS narrative Let's agree he was high on drugs.. Why does that change that the cops were negligent? Does that excuse the 8 minutes of knee to neck?
Are police not responsible for getting medical attention to people in distress? Criminal or not, they or not judge and jury. (I guess you like to ignore this part for sake of this narrative)
The fact the cop in the released video exactly says "dude relax your going to have a heart attack" hmm maybe they could tell he wasn't doing physically well, still knee to neck for 8 straight minutes.
Either they knew he was in distress and placed a knee on his neck completely guilty of murder.
Or they didn't know and put a knee on his neck for 8 minutes and should be charged with assault.
Maybe if medical was called he would of survived and served his time in jail. We will never know


Fatal shots vs armed AR15 carrier.. ER called? yes
Armed assailant shot at kids, cuffed and given water.
What did they do with Floyd?
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Aug 25 2020 10:39pm
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Why do you keep on with this BS narrative Let's agree he was high on drugs.. Why does that change that the cops were negligent? Does that excuse the 8 minutes of knee to neck?
Are police not responsible for getting medical attention to people in distress? Criminal or not, they or not judge and jury. (I guess you like to ignore this part for sake of this narrative)
The fact the cop in the released video exactly says "dude relax your going to have a heart attack" hmm maybe they could tell he wasn't doing physically well, still knee to neck for 8 straight minutes.
Either they knew he was in distress and placed a knee on his neck completely guilty of murder.
Or they didn't know and put a knee on his neck for 8 minutes and should be charged with assault.
Maybe if medical was called he would of survived and served his time in jail. We will never know


Fatal shots vs armed AR15 carrier.. ER called? yes
Armed assailant shot at kids, cuffed and given water.
What did they do with Floyd?

Well lets see for starters:

1) They did get him prompt medical attention, calling for an ambulance within 2 minutes and upgrading it to an emergency within another 2.
2) The knee to his neck was an approved restraint for cases like these where someone larger than you is erratic due to drugs, and is a safer position for medical distress
3) George Floyd asked to be put on the ground
4) A knee to the back of the neck on a flat surface without completely crushing force applied is safe and doesn't cut off circulation (hence why it was taught in the first place)
5) The autopsy showed Floyd had no compression injuries to his neck, no occult trauma to underlying tissues, no petechial hemorrhaging or any other sign of injury to his neck or shoulders or life threatening injury at all
6) The autopsy also showed that Floyd very obviously died of the combined effects of his lethal dose of drugs and incredible levels of cardiopulmonary defect, the 90% blocked coronal artery, 2x oversized heart, 3x oversized lungs, 3:1 LVH, etc etc

If being subdued and struggling with police contributed to his death, then any difficulty breathing from his chest being weighted by the guy on it is far more likely a factor than the knee on his neck.
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Aug 26 2020 01:26am
These cops were still keeping someone who is repeatedly screaming "I cant breathe" and clearly in a state of rapidly deteriorating health grounded with a knee on his neck. I might misunderstand the law here, but shouldnt this still qualify for third-degree murder?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-degree_murder#Minnesota
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Minnesota law originally defined third-degree murder solely as depraved-heart murder ("without intent to effect the death of any person, caus[ing] the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life")


This seems like a really apt description of what happened during Floyd's death. It might come down to how experts rate the likelihood of Floyd surviving if Chauvin had removed his knee and/or pulled him up from the ground, and to whether a knee to the neck is deemed "eminently dangerous to others".

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These cops were still keeping someone who is repeatedly screaming "I cant breathe" and clearly in a state of rapidly deteriorating health grounded with a knee on his neck. I might misunderstand the law here, but shouldnt this still qualify for third-degree murder?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-degree_murder#Minnesota


This seems like a really apt description of what happened during Floyd's death. It might come down to how experts rate the likelihood of Floyd surviving if Chauvin had removed his knee and/or pulled him up from the ground, and to whether a knee to the neck is deemed "eminently dangerous to others".


Murder is a crime with the elements of mens rea, actus rea, actual harm, concurrence and causation.
The medical evidence and autopsy and basic training with that neck hold show that it did not have any ill effect on George Floyd and did not cause his death. Its not an inherently dangerous hold and theres no sign of excessive force used- the complete lack of markings at autopsy and Floyd's ability to talk and turn his head demonstrate that. And the officer putting him in an approved hold had no intent to kill him, nor were his actions malicious. They followed the book calling EMTs and had placed Floyd on the ground after numerous attempts to get him seated in a car failed and Floyd asked to be put on the ground. Essentially, none of the elements are present save concurrence.
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Murder is a crime with the elements of mens rea, actus rea, actual harm, concurrence and causation.
The medical evidence and autopsy and basic training with that neck hold show that it did not have any ill effect on George Floyd and did not cause his death. Its not an inherently dangerous hold and theres no sign of excessive force used- the complete lack of markings at autopsy and Floyd's ability to talk and turn his head demonstrate that. And the officer putting him in an approved hold had no intent to kill him, nor were his actions malicious. They followed the book calling EMTs and had placed Floyd on the ground after numerous attempts to get him seated in a car failed and Floyd asked to be put on the ground. Essentially, none of the elements are present save concurrence.


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Aug 26 2020 08:07am
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/portland-police-far-right-proud-boys-094500346.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_15

depsite portland being besieged by peaceful protesters for months huffpo finally got around to blaming “far right” protesters for the unexplainable violence :rolleyes:
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Aug 26 2020 08:38am
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Murder is a crime with the elements of mens rea, actus rea, actual harm, concurrence and causation.
the complete lack of markings at autopsy and Floyd's ability to talk and turn his head demonstrate that. And the officer putting him in an approved hold had no intent to kill him, nor were his actions malicious. They followed the book calling EMTs and had placed Floyd on the ground after numerous attempts to get him seated in a car failed and Floyd asked to be put on the ground. Essentially, none of the elements are present save concurrence.


What a stupid thing to believe. You are the Ben Shapiro of PaRD.
"No reason to believe the choke hurts people".
--choke is illegal and there is a video of man dying from it.


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What a stupid thing to believe. You are the Ben Shapiro of PaRD.
"No reason to believe the choke hurts people".
--choke is illegal and there is a video of man dying from it.


A choke that can kill people would result in 1) Him not being able to turn his head or speak and 2) Physical tissue trauma visible in an autopsy and 3) Petechial hemorrhaging
and 4) That neck hold was legal and standard policy, applied exactly as listed in the police handbook
Is office chauvin a magical martial artist capable of choking people to death without leaving a mark on their body?
Everyone else who gets choked out turns black and blue and has bruising all over their neck, but I guess Chauvin trained with the secretive Nizari Isma'ili assassin underground society

This isn't some grand mystery, the medical evidence has been abundantly clear ever since the autopsy came out. The man had 90% blocked coronal arteries, a heart twice the normal size, lungs three times the normal size, heart walls so lopsided it was a 3:1 ratio, sickle cell anemia and a history of hypertension. And in his blood was a lethal polysubstance cocktail of fentanyl, trace meth, caffeine, THC and tobacco, mixing his uppers and downers. He had such severe heart disease he shouldn't have been walking around outside an ICU, let alone sticking fentanyl up his ass. I'm not sure if there's any more possible physical indications of an overdose brought on by heart disease
the only medical mystery in all this is how he managed to live as long as he did

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Aug 26 2020 07:40pm
https://m.startribune.com/police-suspect-in-fatal-minneapolis-parking-ramp-shooting-kills-himself-as-officers-close-in/572231992/

rioting broke out again today in minneapolis. Much tamer, but still reports of businesses attacked and crowd control

one man murdered another in an argument, then when police identified him and pursued him he ran away and shot himself in the head mid-pursuit. Rioters then accused the police of faking the suicide

riots are currently underway this very second, despite police saying the suicide was on camera.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 26 2020 07:41pm
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Aug 26 2020 08:04pm
in the past 10 minutes the minneapolis police took the unusual step of immediately publicly releasing the graphic video of the suspect shooting himself in the head while officers chased him
its right out there on minneapolis police twitter, he strolls up to a crowd who react in panic as police charge at them offscreen, he pulls out a gun and stick it in his mouth and blows a hole in his head
I don't think I've ever heard of a police department getting in front of something with a release this graphic

Rioters are looting every business around 7th/nicollet. Saks, brits, target, caribou coffee, foot locker, infinity smokes
an officer down was called over radio and medics evacuated him, don't know how or what condition

now breaking into sushi train and a pharmacy, employees trapped inside

This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 26 2020 08:06pm
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